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Steel

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
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On the one hand, Sessions losing the primary is the best way to get Jones in. On the other hand, Jones probably doesn't have a chance in hell of pulling it out again and having a chance to have Roy Moore in the Senate is... Well.
 

studyguy

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Oct 26, 2017
11,282
Anyway, if Butti wins one of the first three states, he'll stay in for awhile. If he loses in all three I think that he's out and most his voters go to Warren.

Half the primary seems to be pinning their bets on some sort of upset in the first three primaries expecting to replicate an Obama's rise, I can't see it happening like that but who knows, most of these candidate's campaign already look like they're limping along at best.
 

Linkura

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Oct 25, 2017
19,943
Has there been any GOP Primary polling in AL yet? Would love to know how Tuberville matches up with Roy Moore so far. I'm sure they'll do some after Sessions joins in.
 

adam387

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Nov 27, 2017
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I know, but it was one v one last time; noticably more enthusiastic support in a caucus in a super crowded field will go a long way.
Not if multiple candidates are viable. Because it's a crowded field, there are going to be very, very few places where everyone other than Bernie will be non-viable (as happened at a handful of college area caucus sites in 2016). It cuts both ways.
 

sangreal

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Oct 25, 2017
10,890
The real irony is that his excuse is he wants to pass his own bill that protects Edward Snowden because "All he did was expose that his government was not obeying the Constitution"
 

Nocturnal

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Oct 25, 2017
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HIs strategy of using his app to build grass roots events versus stationing more buildings in early primary states will pay off.

The infrastructure of his volunteer network is impressive.

Also, Nate Silver was saying the Q polls today are great news for Sanders if Butti stays strong.

The biggest advantage the app provides will be seen in places like California & Texas.
They also build their own texting app, so expect a lot of people to complain about being spammed by Bernie volunteers in the coming months. You can read more about peer-to-peer texting in 2020 here

But each encounter was a reminder that in each of these cases, a leap in campaign tech is still resulting in two humans interacting—and that any successes will come down to a volunteer's ability to rally enthusiasm via texting bubbles.

Also a good read at Vox from July - Bernie Sanders is winning the internet. Will it win him the White House?
 

Linkura

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Oct 25, 2017
19,943
It is irregular that an incumbent Republican would lose in Kentucky when all the other statewide Republican candidates swept. But for Bevin, it's a "it's not me, it's you" problem.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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I need to see Kamala come for Pete's life on the debate stage. Please, end this mans whole career.

Kamala is fantastic on the attack when she's working with actual substance. See Senate hearings where she's regularly dismantled Trump Toadies.

But Kamala absolutely sucks at bad faith political attacks with dubious substance. You can tell she's forcing it and doesn't really believe in the attack and it shows. Unlike Tulsi and Booty who can take shaky substance and make it seem like a hard-hitting attack or at least make noise. Harris is a poor BS-artist and can't shine shit like other politicians. So when she peddles shit, everyone smells it.

If Kamala does go after Booty in the next debate (which would be smart from a strategy standpoint), her staff needs to arm her with a substantive attack that she can actually get behind and go in prosecutor mode. If she can land a solid punch on Booty, she might even get a second look from some voters.

There are three things Americans love the most.
1. To worship celebrities
2. To tear down celebrities or frontrunners.
3. And a comeback story

Warren is starting to experience #2. If Harris can hit Booty with a good sucker punch, she might have a chance at #3. Especially the way everyone has been dunking on her, in some cases unfairly, the past 3 months.
 
Oct 30, 2017
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A little late, but the only way Republicans will ever be willing to work with Democrats in the Senate is if McConnell isn't there. So, unless Joe has some secret plan to eliminate him, yeah, he's just being naive.
 

Ogodei

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 25, 2017
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Coruscant
This was Kerry's 2.5% win in 2004.

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SWPA is gone for Dems outside of Allegheny and its suburbs. Any strength that returns there will come from suburban Pitt extending outward, not the Demosaurs that live there.

This is Wolf's *17%* win in 2018.

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My guess is Dems will flip Beaver eventually.

The issue in the Southwest is that those counties are decently populated, at least the ones immediately surrounding Pittsburgh.

Butler County actually might be the most vulnerable because there's a major Pittsburgh suburb called Cranberry that's just over the Butler line and could be a prime site for expansion. Beaver County doesn't quite have the same natural expansion, and the new natural gas plant is likely to bring in a lot of white working class folks.

The other issue being that there's still plenty of turf left to develop in Allegheny. Pittsburgh's still under-populated compared to what their infrastructure is built to support.
 

Madison

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Oct 27, 2017
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Lima, Peru
I have the feeling that some of the thread might want to push for Butti or praise him but they cant because the thread is in general are already p hostile to him, so they try to start moving the Pete overton window by saying that hes "overhated"
 

Arm Van Dam

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Illinois

Autodidact

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Oct 25, 2017
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I have the feeling that some of the thread might want to push for Butti or praise him but they cant because the thread is in general are already p hostile to him, so they try to start moving the Pete overton window by saying that hes "overhated"
Then I guess you have plenty of time to dream up little fantasies.
 

sangreal

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Oct 25, 2017
10,890




Jeff Zeleny @jeffzeleny

Jeff Sessions is poised to announce his comeback Senate candidacy on Thursday, CNN has learned. He faces not only a GOP primary in Alabama, but also President Trump, who has never forgiven Sessions for recusing himself in the Russia probe. Is his fate in Trump's hands?

5:13 PM - Nov 6, 2019





Rebecca Buck @RebeccaBuck

New from @jeffzeleny: Jeff Sessions will jump into the Alabama Senate race tomorrow, a GOP official familiar tells CNN. Sessions reached his decision over the last several days and hired a consulting firm today, the official said.

Republicans were sending pretty strong signals that they were just fine, thanks, with the primary field as it was. But Sessions wants to return to the Senate, so here we are.

5:13 PM - Nov 6, 2019


He really wants to go back to the Senate, which hung him out to dry, while also losing all his seniority?
 

Steel

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
18,220
I have the feeling that some of the thread might want to push for Butti or praise him but they cant because the thread is in general are already p hostile to him, so they try to start moving the Pete overton window by saying that hes "overhated"
I don't. His resume is just mayor of South Bend so I don't think the people in question would particularly be enthused by that. They probably more nothing Pete on the whole.
 

JesseEwiak

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Oct 31, 2017
3,781
A couple of things -

1.) Kloubacher is still to the Left of every major Democratic running in 2008
2.) I actually think Mayor Pete could get black support, if Biden drops out.
3.) Rose Twitter is trying to dunk of Ayanna Pressley, and it's hilarious that it's largely the rent to own heiress turned socialist who's trying to the lead the charge.
 

Steel

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
18,220
A couple of things -

1.) Kloubacher is still to the Left of every major Democratic running in 2008
2.) I actually think Mayor Pete could get black support, if Biden drops out.
3.) Rose Twitter is trying to dunk of Ayanna Pressley, and it's hilarious that it's largely the rent to own heiress turned socialist who's trying to the lead the charge.
1. ... Nah I don't think so in the least.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Heel turns on issues.
Found donor-establishment money and is doing what the money wants him to do.
Zero visibility with key Democratic Party constituencies, with a related mess in his current job.
Explicitly doesn't think prisoners should be able to vote.
In an age where people want real economic answers and assistance, spouse's petty lie about flying coach.

If you like this in a campaign, then great there's a candidate running such a campaign.
 

TheFatOne

Member
Oct 27, 2017
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A couple of things -

1.) Kloubacher is still to the Left of every major Democratic running in 2008
2.) I actually think Mayor Pete could get black support, if Biden drops out.
3.) Rose Twitter is trying to dunk of Ayanna Pressley, and it's hilarious that it's largely the rent to own heiress turned socialist who's trying to the lead the charge.
Pete won't be able to escape the tapes. Don't see how he could actually make gains with black voters.
 

Kaitos

Tens across the board!
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Oct 25, 2017
14,709
The issue in the Southwest is that those counties are decently populated, at least the ones immediately surrounding Pittsburgh.

Butler County actually might be the most vulnerable because there's a major Pittsburgh suburb called Cranberry that's just over the Butler line and could be a prime site for expansion. Beaver County doesn't quite have the same natural expansion, and the new natural gas plant is likely to bring in a lot of white working class folks.

The other issue being that there's still plenty of turf left to develop in Allegheny. Pittsburgh's still under-populated compared to what their infrastructure is built to support.
Yeah it's quite possible that Allegheny just gets bluer but the Pitt MSA is actually losing pop on the whole.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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A couple of things -

1.) Kloubacher is still to the Left of every major Democratic running in 2008
2.) I actually think Mayor Pete could get black support, if Biden drops out.
3.) Rose Twitter is trying to dunk of Ayanna Pressley, and it's hilarious that it's largely the rent to own heiress turned socialist who's trying to the lead the charge.
Who is #3?
 

adam387

Member
Nov 27, 2017
5,215
I mean if I wanted to support Pete I'd support Pete, and give two shits what anyone thought. Lol
 

Aarglefarg

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Oct 27, 2017
4,069
I think you're reading the chart backwards. Of people who support candidates who are polling 5% or less, 22% would go to Butti and 21% would go to Sanders.

Of people who support Sanders, 39% have Warren as their second choice.

At least that's how I'm reading it
It's a very unclear table, but I think you are reading it wrong. The 'no first choice' in the column on the left seems to show that the column on the left is for the first preferences, and the rows coming from that column are the second choices.

QU definitely needs to have clearer tables.
 
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YaBish

Unshakable Resolve - One Winged Slayer
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Oct 27, 2017
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I think you're reading the chart backwards. Of people who support candidates who are polling 5% or less, 22% would go to Butti and 21% would go to Sanders.

Of people who support Sanders, 39% have Warren as their second choice.

At least that's how I'm reading it
Huh think you might be right. In context with the rest of the graphs I thought that I read it correctly. Gonna retract my analysis and just leave the graph
 
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