I need to see Kamala come for Pete's life on the debate stage. Please, end this mans whole career.
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US PoliEra 2019 |OT9| I'm really glad I'm not on Twitter nearly enough to understand all the references
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I agree with this. His resume basically being Mayor of South bend is what throws people for a loop. Like, if they wanted what you're talking about, they had Beto as an option but he didn't catch. Then again, Butti had the money to buy name rec that Beto didn't.
Not quite sure on the judge for judge vote, but McConnell busted the filibuster a long time ago on that so it's not like it makes a difference if he voted yes on like 20 out of 400 judges or whatever insane number it is.
How would Gabbard "ending" Warren possibly be a good thing outside of a pure "Bernie must win" viewpoint? If you are a progressive why would you want to see progressive ideas get taken down by someone like Gabbard?
Unfortunately in nearly every state sore loser laws don't apply to Presidential candidates, so the thing stopping her would be independent filing deadlines which are all fairly late (summer before the election).
For comparison, in December 2015, the GOP debate had 9 candidates
Trump
Cruz
Carson
Bush
Rubio
Christie
Paul
Fiorina
Kaisich
This kind of ignores that Buttigieg has consistently polled best with college-educated whites, who are mostly what people think of when talking about liberal elites.
Even in the IA poll you can see this, Buttigieg is outright winning college-educated whites.
I read Adam's post. But now you're telling me Buttigieg supporters are "exited"? Really?
Pete outright winning moderates in QPac. Issa wrap for Biden in Iowa.
I can't see Pete going anywhere but up.
I can't see Pete going anywhere but up.
Young
White
Male
Moderate
Born in the Midwest ("He shares our middle-American values!" they say as they ignore Warren is from Oklahoma)
Served in Afghanistan
Graduated Harvard and Oxford
Rhodes Scholar
Never elected to an office higher than mayor.
He checks a lot of boxes without being too "radical", "establishment" or "coastal elite." He can be called "smart" without being labeled "educated." Even his sexuality isn't as big a deal as it would have been a decade ago, Pew polls put opposition to gay marriage at only 31% (i.e. Trump's Base), compared to 54% opposed in 2009. If anything there's probably a kind of "Oh, he's a homosexual! How neat, just lke on <insert network television show middle-American white people watch>!" thing going on.
I was very early aboard the Butti-bus, but he's said too much shit for my tastes to support him anymore (I am firmly on Team Forma, but will 100% vote for whoever gets the nom) but for people who don't follow politics closely and haven't heard all the disqualifying stuff he's said... that list still looks really impressive and makes him a strong candidate.
Like I said, if he gets the nom I won't be pleased, but we could do a lot worse and at this point anyone is better than four more years of Trump.
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Pete is the least electable out of the top 4 by the widest margin. And he is dead in the water outside of Iowa in the primary. In the grand scheme of things he is running a spoiler campaign.
There are certainly appealing things to Pete (and why I kinda liked him early on) but he is not going to cut it when things heat up for him. Also his record in South Bend ain't all that either. Nothing about him appeals to black voters. His policies are milquetoast so he is not exciting on that front.
He is punching above his weight but soon it's going to be clear where he belongs.
There are certainly appealing things to Pete (and why I kinda liked him early on) but he is not going to cut it when things heat up for him. Also his record in South Bend ain't all that either. Nothing about him appeals to black voters. His policies are milquetoast so he is not exciting on that front.
He is punching above his weight but soon it's going to be clear where he belongs.
He's polling at 0% among black voters in SC and elsewhere. He cannot win with those numbers.
That might be a plus for some people. Uncorrupted by the system!
But seriously:
White (Default)
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Young (points for not being a fossil)
Gay (points for unconventionality/diversity)
Middle-class (points for relatability)
Midwestern (Huge points in Iowa)
Military service (points for crossover appeal)
Well-educated (points for rich, elite liberals)
Mayor (minor points for 'executive' experience)
of a Town in Indiana (More midwest cred; Political outsider)
we'll see. ppl thought he was just a flavor of the month candidate but its clear he's competent and has staying power
The coastal elite thing doesn't even make sense. he is like the most ivory tower elitist candidate running. just literally in terms of his background. Still thinking about his campaign's decision to put that story out there about him learning Norwegian to read a book... like what average person does this?
imagine actually thinking this lol
imagine being barack obama's former vice president and thinking this
Yeah. I mean, I think for healthcare and a lot of other things he remembers what happened with the ACA and how Republicans stonewall, on the other hand I do believe he thinks they can find common ground on other things.
I guess my main point is that I'm already seeing signs of "my candidate or the highway" in various places. It's to be expected to some extent, but if enough didn't learn from 2016, adjusting accordingly, then we're doomed to repeat it. There are so many good candidates running, that's a good thing, but we all need to vote for the official nominee whomever it is, no matter what, or else we get Trump again.
Beto ran on taking away guns, removing tax exempt status, and a whole bunch of other things that are neither feasible nor popular, though. Pete has a compelling narrative, even if it doesn't do much for me because he's WAAAAAY too inexperienced. Beto's personality was also annoying to me. He's too much!
Right, but college educated white does not equal far left. In fact, as a college educated white (who would be called a moderate by most people in here) I would argue that we are, in fact, risk adverse in a lot of ways. A lot of us are "established" and don't want to have our health insurance ripped up, for example. A lot of college educated whites probably tend to be older, married and all the things that tend to skew one towards a more "moderate" position. I don't see college educated whites and the silly "liberal elite" thing as being completely overlapping circles.
Plus, college educated straight whites LOVE to show how much they're down with the gay.
Yeah. But I feel like Beto and Butti were bred in the same lab in terms of how they talk. Beto's a little thicker, though.
GOP rep James Comer, whom Bevin beat in 2015 by 83 votes, on Bevin losing
Record as mayor of South Bend, his sudden heel turn, his inability to grapple with said record as mayor of South Bend. Take your pick.
Again?
He's not though. Like, sure he's educated...but he's also middle class, from the midwest, is a veteran....these things give the appeal of being non-elite. In politics, perception is reality. Like Pete's whole healthcare pitch is, the exact opposite of what Warren/Bernie are trying to do. Instead of TELLING people what to do, Pete is offering a choice. He's not attempting to dictate to folks. That shit gets a lot of play, and polls well.
She will just attack him over minor discrepancies in their views on twitter user management policies.
He's has racial problems back home relating to police and gentrification, has been dropping his previous support for more progressive policies and adopting bland moderate "Can't we all just get along?" stances etc.
He saw that moderate white voters want a moderate white candidate who isn't Joe Biden and went full throttle.
His dad would be ashamed.
I agree 100%, but the discussion was about why he's appealing on paper to some people, especially people in Iowa. You know, people for whom "he doesn't appeal to the blacks" is potentially a positive.
It doesn't have to make any sense, the aforementioned people in places like Iowa see "small town mayor from the midwest" and assume he's one of them and all of those negatives are suddenly positives. I grew up around people who would look down at someone who went off to college but absolutely worship someone who went to college and came back. The weird Norwegian thing is just interesting trivia for folks like that.
At least he finally took the mask off. I remember when people thought he had morals and character.
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