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US PoliEra 2019 |OT8| WHITE HOUSE ADMITS TO QUID PRO QUO WITH UKRAINE
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I didn't say it was logical at all lol.
Fundraising drying up for Biden really should mean this is Warren's race to lose. Sanders seems capped, Buttigieg has no black support and would need to leap forward a ton. The rest are jokes.
I can't even tell you how many times I've told people this. Way before this shit started happening.
Who could possibly have foreseen this?!
(...and yet, he's still nominally tied as front-runner)
Yeah, something I didn't take into consideration was that it doesn't allow Republicans to get their story straight by seeing everyone else's testimony.
I was going to say this exact thing, but you said it in a later post lol.
No money in that, or longevity. Fox News has deep pockets for someone like Gabbard to stick around for years.
The people that think he has a chance don't talk to black people.
What in the actual fuck?
Also, he's fucking WRONG. Has this idiot never been to Paris, for example?
It's pretty amazing to me just how bad of candidate Biden is. I'm not even including his views because honestly he is probably in the middle of where dem voters are, but I have no faith in him to even manage to run a winning campaign. At best he would stumble into winning because people hate trump.
The European mainland drives on the right. The UK and Ireland is on the left. Unless it's your first time driving, it's not hard at all to be in the correct lanes. That's something I could never find out about the killer. Had she just arrived in the UK, or had she been there for years?
Any idea if house dems will be presenting evidence, like a report, to the public when they're ready to move on impeachment? Or with everything behind closed doors is the public just relying on leaks and anecdotes being reported?
I get like 5 emails from his team a day because I signed up for some Obama event half a decade ago.
The fact it seems to have zero benefit to his online fundraising says a lot.
The people convinced he was inevitable were mostly Sanders supporters whose only experience with a national Presidential election was 2016. Cause if you had any knowledge of the previous 3 seriously contested Dem primaries, none of them played out that way.
Rejecting the House's articles requires a recorded vote, so might as well hold a trial and say they "exonerated" Trump. I've never doubted there'll be one if the House impeaches. They'll just fuck with the process and spin the result.
Also, Dear Leader rode that horse up that 9000' tall mountain by himself. Totally happened.
Perfect time to throw the world into more chaos.
Also, Dear Leader rode that horse up that 9000' tall mountain by himself. Totally happened.
So, not being shady here, but that polling from Nate should be data point 9,421 that not everyone who watches the debates has the same needs/wants/ideals as those of us who follow this regularly and spend all our time on political twitter bubbles. Folks would be better served, imo, to try and figure out what it was about Pete/Klob/Biden that garners some support, instead of just throwing up their hands and saying "how could anyone like that!"
Truth is, there IS a lane in this primary/party for a more centrist candidate. The party is just not as left as people want to pretend it is. That's why you have Warren who, smartly, keeps one foot in each lane on certain issues. Your average dem primary voter is, by and large, closer to Pete/Klob/Biden than Warren/Bernie. Pete/Klob trying to go after Biden voters is the smart play here, because, honestly, with Bernie and Warren both in the running it splits the progressive vote JUST enough to make a lane.
Of course, Pete is DOA with AA voters, and Klob will probably murder someone before this is over.....and Biden will be broke by the end of the quarter.
Also,the polling is evidence of what a lot of us have been saying.Bernie just has no room to grow. Not with Warren in the race, and probably not without her either. He's at his floor and his ceiling.
Truth is, there IS a lane in this primary/party for a more centrist candidate. The party is just not as left as people want to pretend it is. That's why you have Warren who, smartly, keeps one foot in each lane on certain issues. Your average dem primary voter is, by and large, closer to Pete/Klob/Biden than Warren/Bernie. Pete/Klob trying to go after Biden voters is the smart play here, because, honestly, with Bernie and Warren both in the running it splits the progressive vote JUST enough to make a lane.
Of course, Pete is DOA with AA voters, and Klob will probably murder someone before this is over.....and Biden will be broke by the end of the quarter.
Also,the polling is evidence of what a lot of us have been saying.Bernie just has no room to grow. Not with Warren in the race, and probably not without her either. He's at his floor and his ceiling.
Is he just copying the Frozen 2 trailer?
Also, Dear Leader rode that horse up that 9000' tall mountain by himself. Totally happened.
Good god, he looks puffy and plastic. Something is wrong with him - I mean, besides being insane.
Agreed. If the loooong primary process this political season was good for nothing else, it was good for this.
Biden would have walked to the general if he had Clinton's 2015/16 debate and rally schedule.
Exactly. I'm a black person from a working-class family who thought that international travel was an unattainable thing for most of his life and only got to actually visit the European mainland last year, but if you asked me when I was eight if people drove on the right or the left in Paris or Amsterdam, I could have given you the right answer.
What a fucking dolt POTUS is. Total fucking moron.
I have a bit of a feeling that Buttigieg's performance last night is what his latest and largest donors want to see from him.
I'm old enough to remember when Warren was doomed because she wouldn't say on national television that her plans would raise taxes
I am sure that they will once he is out of office because if they don't that means the following:
1. they support hate speech and terrorism
2. They are a company that is traitorous to the nation in which they were founded if they dont enforce the rules
3. If they do not enforce the rules against him when he is out of office then they forfeit the right to ever take action against anyone elses account for doing the same and that sets a dangerous precedent.
In other words: "They better'
They absolutely won't. He's famous, newsworthy and influential. He'll be a former president. They will not ban him. Ever.
So I think what people are struggling with is that the dem electorate really likes Elizabeth Warren and that her theory of the case about corruption being the annex of why we are not getting meaningful change, whatever is your pet issue, is ringing all bells. If you don't solve that problem, you won't solve anything else.
People are angling Warren's M4A answers as tho they believe the Dem base would not support her if for only she said M4A would raise taxes. I think the democratic base fully understands why should won't say it, and are not going to penalize her for it as we see in that post debate data.
In other words, the 'moderates' are not giving the base enough credit and are acting like they are stupid, which is insulting.
People are angling Warren's M4A answers as tho they believe the Dem base would not support her if for only she said M4A would raise taxes. I think the democratic base fully understands why should won't say it, and are not going to penalize her for it as we see in that post debate data.
In other words, the 'moderates' are not giving the base enough credit and are acting like they are stupid, which is insulting.
The post debate polls more than anything showed that people who hogged up the most time on TV got the best returns. If we are talking about purely analytics here that is. In fact Biden is slightly declining still.
I do agree that the electorate either just doesn't like Bernie all that much as a person or just aren't as progressive/willing to accept big change
... or both. That's why Warren is rising despite being cryptic about her stance on healthcare and Bernie being more direct (ie. taxes will go up to pay for Medicare). The smarter electorate knows that this is the winning play in the GE and her numbers in GE are generally getting better relative to the field.
My big takeaway from the debates is that people who are assertive, involved and can communicate coherently their plans have the most to benefit from debates. But you can't cross that fine line of assertiveness and assholeness... then you get into Castro and Bernie territory (even though for me both are fine, I am just saying how they may come across that way). Buttiegeg and Klob aren't frontrunners yet and can make the attacks strategically but eventually they will slip up and cross that line that makes voters uncomfortable. That's something that Warren does the best, her attacks or differences with other never come across as abrasive.
Policies really don't matter as much in this field as people think it does. All the candidates are for some sort of public Medicare option and they are quibbling over policy specifics. Everyone is for changes to curb climate change, everyone is for impeachment (except Gabbard), everyone is for the Kurds, everyone is for gun legislation, LGBQT rights, abortion rights, curbing wealth inequality, corruption etc. But everyone agrees that beating Trump is the #1 priority when it comes to electorate. So the song and dance is really more about "which of these candidates can get a slam dunk win over Trump?" Honestly that's really the only reason Klob is in this.
yup, he knows how to go on the offense. I'll give him that
I remember when most of this thread (me included) felt we were doomed to a Biden nomination.
Feels much better now.
I don't think we're out of the woods on that yet. But I was saying it was 50-50 at the time.
Non-binding vote
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John Carter
James Comer
Matt Gaetz
Louie Gohmert
Paul Gosar
Duncan Hunter
Thomas Massie
Brian Mast
Tom McClintock
Mark Meadows
Tom Reed
Roger Williams
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John Carter
James Comer
Matt Gaetz
Louie Gohmert
Paul Gosar
Duncan Hunter
Thomas Massie
Brian Mast
Tom McClintock
Mark Meadows
Tom Reed
Roger Williams
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