oh god we are going to get a couple of "Tulsi smeared by the NYT" videos arent we
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oh god we are going to get a couple of "Tulsi smeared by the NYT" videos arent we
And that's all it takes for some people to be bitter about Warren doing better. It's like a kid who wants to a particular flavor of ice cream but is denied that and given something else. Even if that flavor is very similar the kid will sulk and whine.
I don't really care about what the guy who started Bernie or bust thinks. We are suffering through the sort of shit he *wanted* to happen if Bernie lost the primaries, so he can fuck off back to wherever he's been.
He's a dope, but hey, let him keep hitting Biden while warren swoops in, fuck it
Does anyone know why Trump is apparently looking for Hunter Biden?
I seriously don't know, sorry. Assuming a few months, at least.
Dear Mr Barr.
You are the attorney General of a secularist nation. Fucking act like it.
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WRONG!
We are a nation built on jideo-christan values
The constitution says so
This is the response you will get
Mueller dropped the ball so hard by deferring to AG Barr in his report. He really thought Barr was an independent voice and would do the right thing.
I liked this too. It's an interesting lens to view this presidency through because a lot of things make sense. He's literally not able to function in the ways you would want a president to.
And yeah, I took the "We're not going there" comment as they weren't going to talk about Kelly Ann.
Or maybe Mueller was just as much of a fucking coward as the rest of these "very concerned" Republicans/Republican military and intelligence people, and he just didn't want to rock the boat, preferring to wipe his hands of the situation and peace out to live a life of comfort and privilege. Along with Mattis, McMaster, and the other very manly, very concerned, embarrassed Republican fucks.
I thinks it's well past time we admit the deification of Mueller was a mistake and the dude kinda fucking sucks.
Nope, doesn't know him
I wouldn't go that far. Mueller and his team worked for 2 years and gave us a report that absolutely would have began impeachment proceedings under a bolder Congress. It wasn't in his purview to craft the narrative and sell it to the public. It was his job to gather the facts within the scope he was given.
...that said, I do think he was too cautious when it came to weighing in on whether the President should be indicted. When all the facts in your own report scream "Yes!" ...then just say yes.
Who's Got the Biggest 2020 Ground Game in the Early States
Biden only has two SC offices. Honestly he doesn't seem like he's really working for the support he has there.
Butt only has 2 lol.
Biden only has two SC offices. Honestly he doesn't seem like he's really working for the support he has there.
Butt only has 2 lol.
He's a hatchet man, a fixer, and a mob lawyer by this point. Nothing more. Maybe it was to his position's advantage to do that or he was handed that one. Doesn't matter. At least he's showing off he's losing control though.
No one does. It's annoying how Conway and Scarramucci (who is in photos with the two arrested wise guy buddies of Rudy and others they hang with in Ukraine) gets this sort of clout vs any two long-time NTs despite largely saying the same things on the same stances. I dont like anywhere my mind goes to on why.
As for his point: you don't go back to "normal". Black Swan done flew, yo. We're trying to land in a Good New Normal rather than a Bad one.
Smearing Mueller so people wouldn't understand their findings is a goal of the enemy over the last 2 years+.
Or putting people in baskets of "angel" or "devil" very rarely works out well.
Just saying.
damn. one of the dudes is only 47? they both look at least 60.
Yeah, I may be too harsh on him. I don't think he's evil or anything.
But I do think his mindset as a result of being in those Republican military/ intelligence circles, and his general privilege, contributed greatly to his craven decision making and handling of this whole affair. He was completely unfit for the moment, and rather than rise to the occasion, he wiped his hands of everything once he'd done the bare minimum his outdated notions of "duty" required.
I'm just sick and tired of these very concerned, privileged assholes who have the power and authority to make history and hold people accountable, choosing instead to not rock the boat, but just talk about how very concerned they are among their private, privileged circles.
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Here I thought he was an efficient, morally bankrupt tool of his masters. Go figure.
I still give Mueller the benefit of a doubt, but I do agree that tough questions need to be asked. A point that I haven't seen raised elsewhere is about his age and coming out of retirement. Mueller had/has a reputation for a sharp intellect and fierce investigations, but the man we saw looked frail and small. He was silent for 2 years, and then during his only public appearances he looked like a deer in the headlights and tripped over himself to say nothing. I understand that public speaking is hard, I get very nervous myself, but it's pretty critical to his role. When you see earlier appearances to Congress from Mueller he's good. This leads me to believe that age and rust caught up with him- and it does raise some concerns in me that the old man's abilities since he had retired had atrophied more than anyone knew. How that may have affected the investigation we'll never know.
These questions and more could be answered by the team Mueller built- but they'll never talk.
Mueller made tactical errors if you assume his goal was justice.
Dems made communication errors because they are cowards who couldn't control a narrative if they tried. They had a path to impeachment laid out with all the pieces in place. Removal isn't/ wasn't the point.
If this republic is saved it will be because their cowardice was tactically lucky and the neocons remember they love blood money more than they love temporary GOP control.
Dems made communication errors because they are cowards who couldn't control a narrative if they tried. They had a path to impeachment laid out with all the pieces in place. Removal isn't/ wasn't the point.
If this republic is saved it will be because their cowardice was tactically lucky and the neocons remember they love blood money more than they love temporary GOP control.
His public appearance was beyond horrendous. He would not even read parts of his OWN report because he was afraid of being seen as partial, and instead made the Democrats read it themselves. He had no qualms about clear stooges of Trump like Jim Jordan who were running interference for Russia.
However the biggest issue for me was how cowardly he presented his findings deferring constantly, and continuously to Trump and his cronies as inept or ignorant. I was reading that his team generated 1b documents. Among which were Don Jr's clear and open conspiracy with Russians. STILL would not call it for what it is. How much more do you fucking need man? Just bend over backwards into a pretzel to give these crooks and out at every turn over and over again. You had hundreds of federal prosecutors signing a letter saying your non-report report was enough to find the criminal conspiracy. Instead, defer it again to AG Barr to make the call. Take the fucking shot.
Good call out. Her producers let her down on that one.
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Or Kavanaugh...
I mean just getting the public to warm up to impeaching and removing Trump has been a challenge.
If the Dems start throwing weight behind impeaching anyone else it's going to seriously muddle the overall message in the eyes of the public which has a one track mind.
They seemingly don't want it to look like a coordinated attack on Republicans and their officials. (And if Trump is out, Barr likely resigns that very second.)
I do hope they explore it after the Presidential impeachment, because I would think it has a higher opportunity to actually lead to removal.
Tulsi legit gives me the creeps. There is just something about her...
The way he put up the report was 100% to dodge Barr. It was pretty obvious he was doing some rules lawyering to avoid aspects like not coming to any specific conclusions Barr could overrule. He knew bullshit was coming.
Yeah, a lot of what I call "missteps" in his report.
He went above and beyond the call of duty here to justify following procedure and not to indict the president nor Jr, Erik Prince, and a whole host of shady assholes. Then again, he blatantly stated that he wasn't looking to condemn the president from the start, only to see if he could prove Trump did no wrong. And he was pretty definitive in stating that exoneration was not possible.
But to me that's basically the bare minimum.
What I also don't like about Mueller's investigation was the very favorable plea deals he was giving out. One such plea, Michael Flynn, basically caused a judge to rebuke Mueller and his team to their faces for how outlandish the whole thing was. For me, that saga right there was the tipping point for me in holding my expectations in check.
Also why I was so adamant Congress can't let the Mueller investigation guide their actions while they stayed mostly in the shadows. I'm actually glad his investigation ended when it did. We would still be wasting time waiting for nothing. And again, Mueller himself was aware of that so I give him points for his report literally being a giant impeachment referral.
Now that people know who forma's comms person is, do you think Brie Brie Joy will sic a Twitter mob on her? It was pretty bad when Ian Sams had to ward off the early attacks from the ~Copmala~ crowd.
You missed something very, very important about how the DOJ procedures interacted here and why Mueller did that. Had Mueller come to a hard conclusion about Trump declaring they believed him guilty, Barr could have overruled him. Not coming to an active conclusion on anything was a deliberate choice here because of that. His stated rationale had the "accidental" side effect of preventing Barr from just overriding his opinion, which is why Barr had to put out the bullshit summary letter instead of an actual formal override.
Conway is an interesting guest in this case as it's mostly a legal/politics podcast and they talk about the implications of his mental state for the country. For example, he discussed how there were rumblings that Clinton wanted to claim presidential immunity from lawsuits (relevent to our times!), but Conway as a lawyer wrote his first Op-Ed examining why that's wrong. Presidential immunity only extends to the "outer rim of presidential duties." The thing he was trying to claim immunity from? The Paula Jones sexual harassment suit, which lead to him possibly lying under oath, which was a major focus of impeachment. Clearly the Paula Jones case had nothing to do with presidential duties, just like Trump's taxes.
Then there's a great discussion about how even if you think Clinton lied under oath, legally you would want to treat crimes differently for impeachment purposes. Clinton doing a one off thing might not be an impeachable offense, whereas if Trump lied on the stand it's not one off, it's who he is. NT's would have none of this context.
I stay the fuck away from the mooch though.
This is really good insight, thanks!
The day we can move past Trump and his ilk will be a great day.
Err, what? Trump's taxes will provide evidence of his conflict of interests, which overlap with foreign policy in multiple countries, as well as providing supporting evidence for pay-to-play corruption. Even Trump admitted to this conflict of interest with Turkey back in 2016:
"I have a little conflict of interest 'cause I have a major, major building in Istanbul," Trump told Bannon during a Breitbart radio show. "It's a tremendously successful job. It's called Trump Towers—two towers, instead of one, not the usual one, it's two."
I'm aware, I just don't care about these political games being played at the highest level that make a mockery of the law in the process.
Meaning I care less about Mueller's overall decision to not indict Trump (from the beginning I knew that wasn't an option) than I do about the absolute bullshit justifications used not to indict.
We're talking a 2 year investigation that concerned not only Trump but a whole host of assholes including everybody from Erik Prince to Don Jr. And justice was not mete out proportionally to the severity of literal treason found by the characters involved.
And again, his plea deals handed out were egregiously horrific. I'm not surprised he got bit in the ass on at least 2 of them (Manafort and Flynn) and has had to rescind them.
So yeah, I have significant problems with the process itself from the jump, and less so his decision to not indict Trump. Honestly, Trump is a speed bump to me. I will always be more concerned about the fact that half of our government (GOP) is criminally complicit in the destruction of rule and law.
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