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Poodlestrike

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I still don't understand Fraud Guarantee. Do they just not understand what those words mean in English? I can't come up with a meaning of those 2 words together that sounds positive.
There's this billboard for what I assume (hope) is a law firm that I see every day driving home from work. Literally all it says is the name of the partners and, in giant text, MEDICAL MALPRACTICE IS ALL WE DO.

Sometimes, people don't really think through the optics of a thing.
 

Royalan

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Man I wish Gillum weren't under investigation.

He's sharp as hell, young, and a POC. Would be perfect otherwise. Losing by such a small margin as he did- much smaller than Beto- and he may have won if Broward County didn't fuck up yet again- isn't really a big minus imo.

We're in a world where the current AG has his tongue permanently attached to the muddy heel of Trump's boot. The justice department will be used to dirty whoever the D candidate is.

I don't think at all that an investigation would hamper Gillum if he were picked. I mean, you have a pretty squeaky clean figure in Warren. Her VP choice should absolutely be a charisma pick and an olive branch to minorities. Gillum's got both in spades.
 

adam387

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We absolutely need to do something now about drug prices, and we can argue about M4A/M4America/Whatever later. Because without doing something about drug prices first, get that infrastructure in place....any attempt at a universal plan is going to fuck so many people over. I've just been diagnosed with a fuck ton of arthritis. After trying some drugs, we're not getting the results we wanted to see. Instead, I was just put on a drug that retails for $5100 a month. That's not cost effective no matter how much "free" healthcare we say we're going to do. Medicare's current coverage for this drug is abysmal, although eventually it does get covered. If we really wanna do this thing, we gotta be fucking smart about it. Starting with the abhorrent drug company prices is a good place to start.
 

divination

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If Warren were looking to shore up the base, she'd pick someone for VP with significant party support whose supporters are largely reluctant to support her, but the whole reason she's winning is that that person doesn't actually seem to exist. She's the consensus pick.

So really it's kind of an open field. Obviously, if she's going to go for a strong anti-corruption pitch, anybody already under investigation for anything that could possibly be legit is out (sorry, Gillum). Probably best to avoid the Northeast for demographic reasons, and no machine states. Florida, NC, PA, Texas, or Arizona would be my home state picks, preferably black or latinx. I think people are wrong about an all-female ticket being a mistake, btw. Once you've put a woman on the top of the ticket, anybody reluctant to vote for reasons of misogyny isn't going to be swayed back by a male VP, or pushed into opposition by a female one. That die's already cast.

I feel like Rep. Ruben Gallego of Arizona ticks a lot of boxes. Young, Latinx Rep with military service and relatively progressive. That being said, he'd pretty much be a relatively unknown on the national stage.
 

shadow_shogun

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What a fucking clap back. Jesus.

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Vic_Viper

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How are these two not in jail or sued for this stuff already? This is what, the 3rd person theyve "found" with damaging claims lol. Also, this "drug dealer" should be arrested on the stop for admitting to trafficking narcotics, and see if his story changes then.
 

shinra-bansho

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Warren's entire pitch is rooting out corruption. It's her signature issue.
A VP who has been investigated and paid settlement for accepting undisclosed gifts from a lobbyist friend and an undercover FBI agent posing as a real estate developer is a terrible idea.
 
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What an absolutely horrendous day for Trump and that's saying something.

3 court rulings against him, Yovanovich testimony, FOX news blow up, Rudy blow up, Senior aid in Department of State resigned, nothingburger China deal, Turkey attacking US soldiers and WH sending talking points to Democrats again.

Absolute. Shit. Show.


Honest it's a day that ends y

It'd be faster to make a list of how Trump HASN'T embarrassed himself or the country
 

Blue Skies

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Warren's entire pitch is rooting out corruption. It's her signature issue.
A VP who has been investigated and paid settlement for accepting undisclosed gifts from a lobbyist friend and an undercover FBI agent posing as a real estate developer is a terrible idea.
Wasn't it his brother who received the gift tho?
Seems like suck a minor thing when compared to the opposition.
 

Vena

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We're going to see more people leave the administration due to the psuedo-war Trump has started in Syria.

He's going to lose whatever neocons were left within the administration, as he's losing them in the general sphere. The news about American troops getting bombed due to him is going to alienate that base *hard* on top of the Kurdish betrayal.
 

Stinkles

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Lol Trump said "we're gonna defeat socialism and put a man on the face of the moon" at his rally tonight.What if all this is a Quantum Leap episode but we can't hear Ziggy?
 
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Trump didn't raise any of his kids.
That's exactly what I was thinking. Yeah, it's a good burn, but let's be honest, he wasn't the one changing diapers and reading stories. He hired a rotating cast of nannies, didn't pay them, presumably sexually assaulted them and then had them deported when they complained. But I'll still give Kamala credit where credit is due; it is a good burn.
 

shinra-bansho

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Wasn't it his brother who received the gift tho?
Seems like suck a minor thing when compared to the opposition.
Not as far as I can tell.

Honestly she needs to try to avoid even a whiff of corruption. The words ethics complaint, corruption scandal, and FBI probe should be nowhere near her VP.

Whoever she picks they need to be super vetted.

Which is why the best pick...

... is Michelle Obama.
 

adam387

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Like, the argument that "Sure Gillum has some issues, but look at the other side" isn't a winning argument imo. We don't get brownie points for being better than the shit show. We should just be the best we can be. (IN THE ARMY!) Like, Gillum is a failed candidate with a fraud case in his past. You bring him on as your Veep you lose the moral high ground on running against corruption. Plus, you want your Veep to not be a distraction. A single story in the NYT about Gillum getting tickets for something and you blow that whole "First do no harm" thing out of the water.

There are a ton of better options without baggage.
 

devSin

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Starting with the abhorrent drug company prices is a good place to start.
It's a critical place to start.

Your drug retails for $5100 today. The price will rise in future, as will your premiums, deductibles, co-pays or co-insurance (and with Medicare, you'll be sailing into the donut hole in record time, and the gap between initial and catastrophic coverage is ballooning at an alarming rate—for 2020, the initial coverage limit is rising by $200, but the cut-off for catastrophic is rising by over $1200 IIRC).

I legitimately don't know how Medicare beneficiaries are going to survive the next decade with the forecasted increases.
 

makonero

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As far as VP for Warren goes, I've always loved Jason Kander but I think he still needs time to recover from his PTSD and win some elections. Harris isn't my first choice but she's VP material. I think Ruben Gallego is a great choice as an Arizona resident. I think Tammy Duckworth is my favorite pick though.
 

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vp is kinda tricky because basically anyone who could run for president did run for president, so a lot of the vp candidates either have baggage by now from the primary or haven't really done anything
 

adam387

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It's a critical place to start.

Your drug retails for $5100 today. The price will rise in future, as will your premiums, deductibles, co-pays or co-insurance (and with Medicare, you'll be sailing into the donut hole in record time, and the gap between initial and catastrophic coverage is ballooning at an alarming rate—for 2020, the initial coverage limit is rising by $200, but the cut-off for catastrophic is rising by over $1200 IIRC).

I legitimately don't know how Medicare beneficiaries are going to survive the next decade with the forecasted increases.
Put simply, they're not going to. Like, I know people love BIG HUGE bills and shit, but these small things are things we absolutely need to tackle NOW. We can't put off a 4 year (LOLOLOL) Medicare 4 All plan without fixing some of this stuff first. Medicare Part D is a fucking dumpster fire of a program. The sheer number of problems that exist there are just...it's not good. Like, the drug I'm on, my mom simply couldn't get for 3-6 months on Medicare because of the guidelines they have in place. My doctor warned me that it would take about a month for my insurance to approve mine. I had it by the end of the day, because the insurance company and pharmacy agreed to cover my first two months while we get the paperwork done.

This is the unsexy part of a Medicare for All plan that gets looked over a lot. Simply put, our healthcare system is not setup to deal with price negotiations...especially when it comes to drug prices. Medicare gets fucked over the most in drug prices. It's just a gigantic problem that we need to tackle now before we can even think of a huge "free" expansion of healthcare.

And like, drug prices terrify me. My son is on a combination of drugs that costs close to $30k a month. That's $30,000. Two of the drugs he uses are never covered under Medicare/Medicaid under any circumstances. We get them through our insurance and as he's a part of a (probably) decades long study on pediatric MS.
 
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We absolutely need to do something now about drug prices, and we can argue about M4A/M4America/Whatever later. Because without doing something about drug prices first, get that infrastructure in place....any attempt at a universal plan is going to fuck so many people over. I've just been diagnosed with a fuck ton of arthritis. After trying some drugs, we're not getting the results we wanted to see. Instead, I was just put on a drug that retails for $5100 a month. That's not cost effective no matter how much "free" healthcare we say we're going to do. Medicare's current coverage for this drug is abysmal, although eventually it does get covered. If we really wanna do this thing, we gotta be fucking smart about it. Starting with the abhorrent drug company prices is a good place to start.

Yeah the retail price of biologics for arthritis are insane. Especially for how life-altering it can be.
 

shinra-bansho

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These are neat.
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Lol, Buttigieg is dead with black voters.
Also, Latinx men are considering Sanders more than Latinx women by a lot.

Across the various groups, with the exception of "Other" (which I assume is a very small sample anyway), the more people pay attention to the news the more they like Warren.
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Same holds across age groups.
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And across both demographic categories... the more people pay attention to the news.... the less they like Sanders.
 

Aaron

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As far as VP for Warren goes, I've always loved Jason Kander but I think he still needs time to recover from his PTSD and win some elections. Harris isn't my first choice but she's VP material. I think Ruben Gallego is a great choice as an Arizona resident. I think Tammy Duckworth is my favorite pick though.
I think I mentioned Gallego before and I agree, he'd be fantastic. Strong progressive, hails from a swing state (if Wisconsin is stubborn, Arizona can replace it as the pivotal state), young male person of color (so directly opposite of Warren's demographic as an older white woman), a veteran, leaves behind a safe district.

Christ, it's like he's precision manufactured for it, pending some obvious flaw I'm not aware of.
 

adam387

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Yeah the retail price of biologics for arthritis are insane. Especially for how life-altering it can be.
It's absolutely ridiculous. Some of my son's meds are biologics as well, just the sheer cost of these things is just insane. I'm also on a second weekly (self administered) shot that the insurance doesn't typically want to cover. True funny story--before they would prescribe this, they were requiring that I see a fertility specialist. (Not for anything bad, but I'm having some issues with my endocrine system.) And like, one, I am gay. Two, I have 5 kids already. Three....I am gay. So the insurance required I see one for several months before they'd cover the drug. I just went ahead and paid out of pocket because it was only $600 or so (And yes I know how privileged I am to say that.) But, anyway, we filled out a form to have my exempt from having to see the fertility specialist. On the "Reason for refusal" my doctor wrote "Homosexuality."

They approved the drug the next day. :P
 

Arm Van Dam

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I would say Warren/Duckworth if it's an option for Warren, Warren/Cooper would've been awesome but a second Cooper term with a Dem legislature would be more beneficial, Warren/Beto would be good too.
 
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B-Dubs

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she had more honor than 80% of these fools
More like 90%. She should have just gone all-in on being the Senator who has probably been at the forefront of trying to fight sexual harassment in government, run a 3rd wave feminist campaign. That kinda thing.

I'd rather see her up there than half of who will be there.
 

adam387

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I would say Warren/Duckworth but Duckworth was born in Thailand so natural born citizen clause applies so that sucks, Warren/Cooper would've been awesome but a second Cooper term with a Dem legislature would be more beneficial, so I'll go with Warren/Beto.
Duckworth is a natural born citizen, though. Her father was a US citizen. Being born in Thailand is irrelevant, because one of her parents was a US citizen. It's the same thing with Cruz and McCain, honestly.
 

GoldenEye 007

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Why not make Biden all-time VP. Like when kids play touch football and have an odd number of players and need an all-time QB.
 

Chaos Legion

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As far as VP for Warren goes, I've always loved Jason Kander but I think he still needs time to recover from his PTSD and win some elections. Harris isn't my first choice but she's VP material. I think Ruben Gallego is a great choice as an Arizona resident. I think Tammy Duckworth is my favorite pick though.
I like you. You have great taste.
 

adam387

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Duckworth would be a great pick IF her senate seat stays safe 😬
Illinois lets the Gov appoint a Senator. So, it would be safe until the next election without question. I don't see someone being able to pull a Mark Kirk. Raiding the Senate for folks is a problem, but I think Illinois is safe enough that it wouldn't be horrible.
 

Aaron

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Illinois lets the Gov appoint a Senator. So, it would be safe until the next election without question. I don't see someone being able to pull a Mark Kirk. Raiding the Senate for folks is a problem, but I think Illinois is safe enough that it wouldn't be horrible.
We lost Illinois in 2010 because we literally ran someone from the mafia.

I would like to think that could be avoided next time.
 

Poodlestrike

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The only, the only reason Duckworth doesn't top my list here is... Illinois is a real damn dirty state. Yes, Obama, but Obama straight up had people falling on swords for him coming up to make sure he never had a whiff of corruption on him. I haven't heard about Duckworth having any real scandals, but this one is for all the marbles, so I'd be real leery.
 
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