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US PoliEra 2019 |OT8| WHITE HOUSE ADMITS TO QUID PRO QUO WITH UKRAINE
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What do you mean an aide is out on msnbc with Pence in photo? I know about Pence.
He's going to get up there and say "I talked to trump and he said no quid pro quo, case closed". These people think this is going to look good for trump lol.
alls fair in love and war as long as you don't quote the godfather
Imagine trying to get it greenlit.
"...So there was a firm actually named Fraud Guarantee?"
"Yes."
"I don't believe you. Get the hell out of my office."
Shit i just realized they let Sondland testify because Fiona just got announced about dirt on Sondland.
There's the context! Suddenly Sondland makes more sense!
Of course, everyone is entitled to how they feel.
But for me, it's going to take a lot (a LOT), to believe that the woman who was a part of the fight and multiple significant victories for LGBTQ+ people, who was ignoring federal law and marrying gay couples in 2008, who's AG campaign manager was Harvey Milk's campaign manager...it's going to take a lot for me to believe that person is "trying too hard." Because, to me, "trying too hard" is implying disingenuous intent.
To me, the "....alright" was calling it out.
Remember when we all thought that call memo from WH was going to be a whole lot of nothing and after getting it Pelosi announced formal impeachment?
These guys don't think like normal people and any normal people in their wings quits or is booted out.
These guys don't think like normal people and any normal people in their wings quits or is booted out.
You know what I've learned about boomers from all this? They CANNOT admit fault. I had to sever from my folks because of just how bad they got and introspection is impossible to them.
How the hell do you argue with "Brett Kavanaugh couldn't have raped these women because he has a family!"? That's a lot literal talking point my parents have.
Sorry, those are two separate things. They weren't showing pence in the photo with trump and giuliani's associates, initially.
Kamala's "alright...." would probably have been a funny way to brush off an awkward moment if she wasn't the one who made it super awkward first lol
Probably just repeat the "no quid pro quo" line and lie about the rest.
But hey, here's more info on yet another massive crime:
Harris did nothing wrong there. She's not the one who should be calling him out for that joke. She clearly expressed her displeasure without going out of her lane.
I was slightly impressed by Harris"s attempt to clarify pronouns
only to be quickly dissapointed at her reaction to the stupid joke
It was ultimately a positive effort that she wasnt able to handle properly, she could have handled it a lot better. Points for effort, at least.
only to be quickly dissapointed at her reaction to the stupid joke
It was ultimately a positive effort that she wasnt able to handle properly, she could have handled it a lot better. Points for effort, at least.
I just mean trying too hard to have a "moment." Warren's moment worked because it was organic. It just happened. Harris' didn't land for me because it was clearly planned and rehearsed to hell. Sometimes rehearsed moments CAN land. Her attack on Biden did. Hillary's "I prepared to be President" thing landed. This one didn't. And I think her campaign has become too reliant on trying to go from a moment to a moment with lulls in between. I don't think that served her well.
Warren's moment was almost certainly a planned answer for an obvious question. She just delivered it better, making it seem more natural.
I at least take solace that Schiff seems to be on top on literally everything because he was on Maddow saying so and Maddow gave her epic rundown at the start that he saw.
Once you leave employment of the gov they can't control your appearances (with some exceptions)
My parents are boomers too. They're not like that though. But in a general sense, boomers are so much different than millennials. Fundamentally different life experiences.
Trump didn't mention the fox News poll at all tonight. apparently they had Eric go out at the start and say "yall like fox News?" and people gave some cheers.
I wonder if Trump uses Eric to test if his material is gonna land or not
I wonder if Trump uses Eric to test if his material is gonna land or not
It's hard to do the kind of thing Harris tried to do. It inherently feels like pandering unless you're doing it even in other contexts. Because it clearly is pandering to only come out with that in the safest possible place. But people like to be pandered to and it's a gesture of respect, so whatever.
And likewise I think it's asking a lot to expect a candidate to react in just the way you'd want in real time to something as weird and offensive as Cuomo's response. They have to parse this really surprising thing -- "Did he just do what I think he did?" -- and then be the right amount of outraged without crossing a line, and if they overstep at any stage it's disastrous.
And likewise I think it's asking a lot to expect a candidate to react in just the way you'd want in real time to something as weird and offensive as Cuomo's response. They have to parse this really surprising thing -- "Did he just do what I think he did?" -- and then be the right amount of outraged without crossing a line, and if they overstep at any stage it's disastrous.
This is the most charitable interpretation, and if it's true then the response is still so weak as to be irrelevant in the face of blatant transphobia. I'm sure she'll release a stronger statement of condemnation very soon.
That revolving door is starting to present some issues, eh?
This is actually something I've mentioned before, but it's something that I've given a lot of thought about. I went in kinda a blank slate on Kamala. Everything on paper? I loved. But as I watched her debate stuff, she kept getting further and further down the list for me. And it bothered me! Because a lot of the things that I felt about her were shit people have thrown at Hillary for her entire career that I simply never saw. (Too careful seems "fake." "too rehearsed, unclear on where she stands, etc." I've never seen that with my perception of Hillary or Warren. So, the fact that there may be some bias on my part really upset me. I think we all have biases, and they manifest in different ways. So, I have spent a lot of time thinking about what it is about Harris that doesn't click for me. (And it's not just Harris. I've made it clear Bernie doesn't click with me. I literally have NO idea what anyone sees in Beto. And Castro is so far under my radar I can't even.) I spent a lot of time wondering if it was the intersection of race/gender that sort of exposed some latent bias in how I viewed what she was putting out there. And I don't really have a good answer to that question. Like I said, she's still my 2nd choice. I think she'd be an effective President. I just am totally unsure what it is, specifically, that I don't respond to. Which is fine! I don't have to get all warm and tingly to support/like someone for an office.
To be honest, I don't understand this. There are people who don't identify as trans who subscribe to and promote open pronoun identification.
Cuomo's "joke" was crude and not at all funny. But I think it's a reach to claim Harris was weak to blatant transphobia because she didn't do...what exactly did people really want her to do in the .02 seconds in which this moment happened?
It doesn't take too much to be like "that's not cool, Chris." In the moment. You can expound upon it later but in the moment, being a good ally means calling it out when you see it. Her response was just too subtle.
I just think it's very hard to decide fast enough that that's what happened. I guess you can ding her for not being so immersed in this stuff that she didn't automatically tag it as really offensive, but I feel like lots of people who are genuine allies, in a context where calling someone out when it's not warranted would be disastrous, would take a few seconds to decide that they're sure enough about what just happened to clearly call it out.
To clarify, I'm not dinging or condemning her for anything here, just a small critique from me is all. She handled the rest of the townhall pretty well IMO.
I just...I think it's really odd that, when it comes to Kamala Harris, people are always expecting her to police other people's speech in the most succinct-yet-nuanced way at a moment's notice, without any thought to the very real concern Kamala has to have as a black woman doing that.
amab nb here, don't have much of an issue with kamala's response just being "...alright" (mainly because it seems like cuomo's "joke" seems to have caught her as off guard as it caught me)
My wife is flying home from Boston with a connection at MSP. They've stopped loading the bags onto the plane and are now delayed due to a VIP ground halt. Fuck that guy.
so what are the lgbtq forum highlights, i don't have cable because it's 2019 but so far i hear that:
- joe biden tried to kills anderson cooper?
- elizabeth warren did a joke
- kamala harris was involved in some ill-advised exchange about pronouns
- a trans activist interrupted and was like "so y'all really aren't gonna have any black trans women ask questions at this event?"
Fraud, guaranteed
Reminds me of the geniuses that got locked up for helping the marathon bomber
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