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US PoliEra 2019 |OT8| WHITE HOUSE ADMITS TO QUID PRO QUO WITH UKRAINE
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I like to think the reason there is a lid on media appearances today is because of the second whistleblower. They don't want to have more egg on their face when the second one blows holes in their nonsense.
I also think the second whistleblower can fill in the holes in the transcript of the call that Trump has tried to claim is "word for word" but it is clear is missing chunks of conversation.
I also think the second whistleblower can fill in the holes in the transcript of the call that Trump has tried to claim is "word for word" but it is clear is missing chunks of conversation.
Republicans aren't spineless, they're complicit. Especially Mr "4th of July is a good time for Moscow" Ron Johnson.
They're not afraid of Trump or his cult, they're afraid that the information implicating them in bribes, money laundering, extortion, and the cover-up might bounce back against them.
I still want to know what happened to the RNC emails hacked but never released in 2016.
Let's be real. The GOP got that post-2012 autopsy after R-Money lost to Obama and promptly ignored it.
They, like Trump, really like racism and sexism and ruining the lives of as many gay and trans folks as they can, so following the racist, sexist strongman down into oblivion was always the thing that they were going to do. They courted the sycophantic wild animals that form their base - I believe Hillary called them "deplorables" - because these are their people.
So them standing around unsure of what to do in private is all performative bullshit for whatever insider they want leaking to the reporters that, actually, Senate Republicans are Very Concerned, if you only knew how Very Concerned they were, independents, you would still give them your support and your vote. They know what they're doing here, and they love this shit.
I don't think it's a talking point. It's just a caught flat footed moment. They are going down with Trump ship, that is a fact. What they say to media is peeling away their reasoning to expose that underlying fact. Tomorrow some random GOP will say "I am never voting to impeach no matter what".
Yeah, I guess I just don't know whether it's better or worse that Republicans really are that evil, versus just being feckless idiots who don't want to upset the base.
NY Times is so pathetic, their top story is a piece trying to legitimize and normalize the investigation into the investigation regarding the Mueller report. Instead of calling out these idiots chasing a conspiracy theory on American time and money to satisfy a criminal and delegitimize our own IC. Incredible that they keep carrying obvious water for these shit heads.
If Dems had won all the close calls they had between 2016 and 2018 (MO, WI and PA in 2016, TX and FL in 2018) they'd have the majority right now.
Oh and the presidency nbd we can just call the Supreme Court
Matt Yglesias tweeted something similar the other day (and I'm too lazy to find it).
There's too few people in media and blue check twitter willing to explore the idea that a lot of Republicans on the hIll are with Trump because...they agree with what he's doing.
There's this idea that all politicians start off neutral good, and are then swayed by the headwinds guiding their party. But, in secret, all these politicians are aligned and really believe in The Good Thing.
And...no. When someone shows you who they are, believe them. And a lot of these Republicans are just...terrible people who are riding with Trump because they agree with him.
I think it's worse that they're that evil. If they were just feckless idiots, they eventually might be convinced to go back and take seriously the results of that autopsy and take note of the fact that later generations of soon-to-be voters have less faith in capitalism and more interest in socialism than we've had in America since the Great Depression. They might actually make the leftward shift that their party should have taken after 2012 instead of going the "milk the racism of the Baby Boomer era to rig the scales against the majority of the country and its wishes for generations" route.
No one shall insult the Führer, ever.
As if those things are mutually exclusive. Hell, almost any other Republican could actually accomplish those things better and without violating a bunch of laws and actively destroying democracy.
Paul Ryan would never vote to cut Social Security! He's just a Very Serious person who's Very Serious about cutting the deficit, of which my understanding is we can do that just by cutting foreign aid which is 50% of the budget. No way balancing the budget would hurt me!
Less than nothing.
They should be hounded to the moon and back with their "cant keep their stories straight" and "don't you care about our national security" and "youre a senator, cant you read something so important?"
Eeeee-yup.
TOC people, TOC.
I'd say its not so much they agree with him, but are enraged and terrified that he's fucking those one or two things up AND constantly attacks the stuff they do like (strong foreign policy, free market, genteel decorum, etc) on individual levels.
So much of that death cult mentality comes from groups terrified that their "cornerstones" of American society are being passed by or being exposed and are willing to make strange bedfellows to save them...but getting involved with CNP/FS/Koch antics is a far cry from a fullblown pathological mobster who sells the country out to Putin and says the quiet parts out loud. They're being left with those cornerstones at the cost of EVERYTHING else American and they're too spineless to stand up for it largely cuz of the public executions.
Just reached out to Lindsay Graham. First Pol I've contacted since since Diana DeGette back in 2012 when I lived in her district in Denver. I don't have high hopes of a response, but the gist was "I'm white, mid-30s, a CFO, have met you at several fundraisers around SC. Essentially the base you want to appeal to. Impeach Trump and drop the derpers because this shit doesn't fly with my type."
That's chilling. It reads like Trumpism is even more potent then the standard Fox News bullshit.
Good luck with that. Those who despise Graham are a minority in this state.
Thanks for posting. Disturbing read.
Is it really shocking that the majority of the military is right-wing? This article told me nothing I couldn't have already gleaned myself.
(I think if you know many "gonna join the army!" types and combine it with your awareness of aging Reaganites as they fodder into elder care and what they're probably like at the Pentagon — it's not really a surprise that so many would be willing to attack American citizens in the name of Trump. Because that's what we are talking about.)
I guarantee you that a nearly identical article could have been written in 2004 about the military's devotion to Bush and their institutional disrespect to a decorated war vet in John Kerry. Also their vile hatred of "traitors" who opposed the Iraq War.
No, but it's shocking to me that they rabidly support a draft dodger who insulted McCain's service, insulted generals, lied to their faces about pay raises he never got, took credit for VA improvements done by Obama, doesn't read (would you like to be sent into a war zone by a commander in chief who doesn't have a clue what's going on?), has an unsettling devotion to Russia, and so on. Their allegiance to the Republican party isn't surprising, but their allegiance to the clown in chief is.
Except anybody who cares about "LEOs" as any kind of political priority has thoroughly come to believe the FBI and CIA were infiltrated by Clinton partisans, and only local cops can be trusted.
You could have gleaned that working officials at CENTCOM openly discuss treason and their hatred for their Commander while they cheer a Russian-supported fascist ripping up a peace treaty as they bathe in the warm pisswater of conservative propaganda as they sit around the office? You should be a whistleblower.
The military fucking hates Iran and has been barely restrained from going to war with them since Bush so of course they're glad the agreement was ripped up.
Sure. I know we had a kerfuffle here about the military and making broad strokes about it here a few days ago, and I say this at the risk of ruffling more feathers, but I knew guys who went into the military as officers after getting college degrees and they were all True Believers.
Yup.
For me, I'm not shocked. A lot of these dudes who I've met who went into the military were not the "just trying to escape a lower-income fate" guys that also do join up. They were already right-wing nutbars. If Trump wants to shoot people on the left, they already wanted to shoot American citizens on the left before Trump ever got into office. Their interests in that regard align with those of Trump, and that's all that matters.
How hard would it have been to glean that? A lot of dudes that go into the military go in to shoot at brown people!
Not all of them, of course, but I'm really shocked that you are shocked that the military attracts racist right-wingers to its ranks.
The only reason the military is more republican is because the military is more male There's still lots of dems or apolitical types
At the risk of doubling up on posts here, let me post this link on Army recruitment in Seattle and pick out a couple of key points:
I couldn't find the article where they did really poorly with their attempts here, like "in the single-digits of sign-ups" level of poor, but this will do.
If the military tends to attract broke conservatives (of the type who learn early from family and friends that it's those durn immigrants taking their jerbs) and to promote those conservatives up its ranks, is it shocking that so many of them are Breitbarters with gun training? I just thought that we always knew this and that a number of these soldiers would love to get rid of the leftists and start a new fascist regime straight out of Starship Troopers.
I couldn't find the article where they did really poorly with their attempts here, like "in the single-digits of sign-ups" level of poor, but this will do.
If the military tends to attract broke conservatives (of the type who learn early from family and friends that it's those durn immigrants taking their jerbs) and to promote those conservatives up its ranks, is it shocking that so many of them are Breitbarters with gun training? I just thought that we always knew this and that a number of these soldiers would love to get rid of the leftists and start a new fascist regime straight out of Starship Troopers.
And what happens when the GOP falls in line and refuses to recognize the Democrats victory as legitimate and says the election was stolen from Trump?
Then they can take it up with the courts and get knocked down?
I wonder if it's the same thing with police.
You would things cops would want gun control and have less guns on the street but I don't think that's the case?
You would things cops would want gun control and have less guns on the street but I don't think that's the case?
Eh usually police unions are real supportive of gun control.
As I said earlier Biden is draining support in Blue states but has an absolute stranglehold on the South.
Not all right wingers lol.
nah, just the threat of American version of ISIS.
I think people forget just how violently polarized this country became around 03-05. Not as bad as now but it got bad. And the Republicans were much stronger.
Yup, and beto may get Texas so Biden still has a solid shot.
Right wing infiltration of our volunteer military is why I've come around on the idea of mandatory service.
Shit, I'd argue that the LBJ/Nixon era was more polarized than now. We had actual National Guardsmen firing on citizen protesters on college campuses and at black people in cities where rioting over racism happened.
If we didn't get a second American Civil War then, we sure ain't going to get it now.
However, that we're growing an American ISIS via our military recruitment is going to be a massive problem going forward because the demographics of this country are going to change, and that's that. I always have predicted that we won't have a second Civil War, but we will have violence that outstrips what we saw in, say, the Reconstruction and post-Reconstruction South or nationwide in the era of Vietnam and the Civil Rights Movement.
No thanks. Imagine being unlucky enough to serve under a bog-standard GOP POTUS who just can't wait to shoot up some brown people.
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