Trump is the Republican party and the party is Trump.
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US PoliEra 2019 |OT8| WHITE HOUSE ADMITS TO QUID PRO QUO WITH UKRAINE
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Trump is the Republican party and the party is Trump.
I know you are but what am I
The thing is that the GOP base was so sick of losing and even their big midterm victories not yielding what they were promised
They blamed two RINOs for costing them 08 and 12
Then Trump comes along, despite the gop establishment crying about it the whole way, saying it was going to destroy them, actually gives them a victory and total government control
Even if they are personally done with Trump if they dump him but lose in 2020 they'll never ever live it down. The gop base will march into every single republican congressmen's office and beat the shit out of them all one by one.
Regardless if the polling is bad for him they don't believe it either because he beat the polling last time
They blamed two RINOs for costing them 08 and 12
Then Trump comes along, despite the gop establishment crying about it the whole way, saying it was going to destroy them, actually gives them a victory and total government control
Even if they are personally done with Trump if they dump him but lose in 2020 they'll never ever live it down. The gop base will march into every single republican congressmen's office and beat the shit out of them all one by one.
Regardless if the polling is bad for him they don't believe it either because he beat the polling last time
He's also telling them to ignore all polling, which paid off handsomely in 2018 when Rs got trounced in the House.
Troll or not, I don't understand why some people can't just ignore posters that get under their skin. These threads can be soooo good, and then other times they can get derailed by the slightest thing and result in pages of nonsense.
The problem is that you have people who say "ur so stupid" etc. Why can't people who may or may not have an opposing opinion be respected?
I'd like to think you are right, but I am afraid they are more united in greed and "hatred" for the left/immigrants/others than united by his personality. And if a transition lets them continue with the cruelty and hate, they will happily shift. Especially if he can be pardoned and thus always crow about injustices. We've seen it a number of times already where individuals are disposable to the overall cause.
Because there's a lot of people that read these forums and never post. There had to be push back to these trolls.
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Let's drop the hot takes and shitposts, please. Let's all try to keep discussion healthy, not antagonize and escalate, and if needed, the ignore function is there.
So what? Don't change the fact that your average Trump fan believes hes the best path to win in 2020
Because, as a Republican, you are okay at the very least with the disenfranchisement of non-white people, the subjugation of women and LGBT people, and the decimation of the lower and middle class. All of this predates Trump, so don't try to pull that shit on me. You are evil. You don't deserve a lick of respect, and I have no idea why you would expect to be given any.
Modpost noted, that's the last I'm gonna say.
While I think there is better than a non-zero chance that the Senate convicts, I think the more likely scenario is that Trump resigns/chooses not to run for re-election, or the cabinet enacts the 25th amendment. Trump is going to continue to go off the rails at this rate, and if his talk of treason and civil war doesn't stop it may actually get enough people worried that they actually take action to save their own ass. Two weeks ago I would have put the chances of him making it to next November at 99%+, today I think it's more like 80%.
I think Trump's decision might hinge on the amount of $$$ he's getting. He'll probably measure support by donations. If there's still money ot be had, he won't care if he drags down the party. If he has nothing to gain, I think his ego will eventually lose out to his greed.
Ukraine won't get Trump there own transcript.
LMAO.
Ukraine being like, no we won't cover for you, we won't alter our transcript. And we can show everyone if you doctored it
LMAO.
Ukraine being like, no we won't cover for you, we won't alter our transcript. And we can show everyone if you doctored it
I have this morbid desire to see what happens when the Republican party will eventually try to dump Trump, at which won't Trump just claim (accurately) that he is the party? So what happens then? Will it be as you quoted or will the republican voters fall back in line with Mitch McConnell's establishment?
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Just because people don't post doesn't mean that they haven't been around longer than you and have more insight than you.
Just because people don't post doesn't mean that they haven't been around longer than you and have more insight than you.
You're angry and misinformed. You take talking heads and force them to represent all that you hate with no malleability. There's a lot more to the Republican party than Donald Trump or Mitch McConnell. I apologize for how you see me. I regret that you hastily put me down. I feel that this type of attitude will be the downfall of your party's presidential campaign.
Even though lying under oath is absolutely an impeachable offense, GOP just couldn't get the public to care enough about the subject matter
This is not really comparable. The majority at least agrees leveraging foreign governments to help win elections is serious enough
This is not really comparable. The majority at least agrees leveraging foreign governments to help win elections is serious enough
Transcript of the phonecalls between Trump Ukraine where Trump was extorting them
Bernie's strategy (or at least, what I understand it to be) is interesting in the sense that it's a large gamble. If he can get nonvoters out in large numbers to win early states, it changes the scope of his primary performance. If they don't show up, it'll likely solidify him in 3rd (assuming Biden doesn't tank).
why does anyone pay attention to them? I get why we can't ignore trump or Fox News, but this guy is nobody.
They won't go back to another Christian conservative always talking about the 80s again. I can imagine Desantis, Kemp and Crenshaw being the types that will win primaries going forward. They'll still want a strong man nationalist with hardline views on immigration. Even if they aren't personality wise as bombastic as Trump
I have a libertarian registered-Republican friend who tries to make this argument too, but frankly this is just living in denial. Trump and McConnell are the leaders of the Republican party. Trump was elected by more voters than any other Republican, with a bigger share of the Electoral than any Republican in 30 years. His approval rating among GOP voters is somewhere between 85-90% on any given day; he is the most president among Republicans since Reagan. There is certainly not "a lot more" to the party than Trump and McConnell, and the anti-Trump fringes of the party that do exist are just that -- fringes. Not only do they have no say or power in the current makeup of the party, they are constantly forced out by the party or Republican voters (e.g. Jeff Flake's retirement, Mark Sanford's primary loss, Justin Amash's forced party switch, Weekly Standard going out of business).
Won't get or won't give? You mention won't alter. Which is it?
That's obvious, but why are you bringing it up? Like is there a story published about it?
Article 1, Point 8 of Nixon's impeachment
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Which means the Whitehouse can't doctor there's to match, or try to doctor both
Ey aren't showing, or giving the Whitehouse the Ukrainian transcriptions of the conversations.
Which means the Whitehouse can't doctor there's to match, or try to doctor both
Yeah I agree. Even if he loses next year, Trump is going to be the standard and common reference point for Republicans the way Reagan was for 30 years.
Tom Cotton is probably a good example of the Republican model going forward.
Problem is anyone whose strategy is built on "nonvoters will magically show up" is probably not going to win that bet.
The only counterpoint I can really think of is Florida in 2016 (and 2018) with the panhandle turning out for Trump, but even then that wouldn't have secured him the presidency without voter apathy giving him WI, MI and PA as well.
Oh no they want the attention too
But good luck finding someone who can get it.
If Trump loses next year, he's going to go down the memory hole so unbelievably quickly. "Oh, that guy? Wasn't he a big democratic donor back in the day? Never liked The Apprentice."
Absolutely it's going to be the strongmen nationalists winning primaries, but if we can actually hold them accountable for once, I'm hopeful that their actual support in general will crumble.
The GOP won't be able to escape the demographics doom that they've been slowly courting unless they drastically change course on topics such as immigration. But they can't do that without losing their base so eventually they are plain fucked on a national level.
Found this:
Sounds like they're not going to give the transcript to anyone, which makes sense for two reasons: Their constitution and it being a no-win scenario.
Sounds like they're not going to give the transcript to anyone, which makes sense for two reasons: Their constitution and it being a no-win scenario.
Could voters get past that god awful smile? He looks like he's in physical pain.
Is this going to be another one of those covers that's embarrassing for Republicans in record time?
Why would anyone sane listen to Rush Limburger?
Eh. I don't think Cotton has the charisma to break out.
Considering the accusations of one of Trump's ex-wives and his violent tendencies, that's pretty awful.
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