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US PoliEra 2019 |OT8| WHITE HOUSE ADMITS TO QUID PRO QUO WITH UKRAINE
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Both "squads" can be courageous in their own ways.
these aren't women that ran on impeachment, but they pivoted at an important time.
It's 24 hour news, you need material
Both "squads" can be courageous in their own ways.
these aren't women that ran on impeachment, but they pivoted at an important time.
It's 24 hour news, you need material
I bet tomorrow is going to be crazy as fuck on news/talk shows
These weren't deserved? Salty as fuck lol, writing is one aspect of the show and so many people worked hard on getting everything else right.
Anyway, last GoT post here lol
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I get why people are annoyed with this, but it's not wrong to give these members from vulnerable districts credit for paving the way for the rest of the impeachment-shy dems to come out in favor of it. Even in this thread we knew it was signaling something big when they wrote that op-ed.
In the (very unlikely) scenario a couple house/senate republicans come out in favor of impeachment and break the dam on that side we'll have to deal with endless articles praising them for their courage and it'll be insufferable.
Maxine Waters and Al Green were often ridiculed by their own party for being the first to openly call for impeachment. Never wavered.
Rashida Tlaib was threatened with censure. Never wavered.
These women "pivoted" only when Donald Trump's crimes grew to such a level that being against impeachment as a Democrat fundamentally became ethically and morally indefensible. But sure...courage!
Rashida Tlaib was threatened with censure. Never wavered.
These women "pivoted" only when Donald Trump's crimes grew to such a level that being against impeachment as a Democrat fundamentally became ethically and morally indefensible. But sure...courage!
Yeah, there's context in the full piece that a headline strips here. They're not being credited with leading the charge, but with getting it over the last hump.
Ok I know who that is. Just read who the others are. Yeah who??.
That's not how I would categorize the situation whatsoever.
Trump's been doing morally/ethically indefensible stuff for eons. What changed is him hitting up something we could get through the head of the average voter. Which didn't take a genius to figure out and like, no one should actually be getting credit for this beyond not fucking it up.
Wait I take that back, that is actually something.
And unless Pelosi and this moderate "vanguard" are clairvoyant, there's no way they could have known Trump would have served them up an easy bake impeachment.
There were people leading on this when it was hard. When it was risky. When the only compass provided was your conscience. I'm grateful that these women are finally here...finally...finally. But leaders they aren't.
That corn pop was me 😂
That Marianne impression was perfect too.
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I'm with you on this Roy, but let's at least be happy it's happening period.
Take the wins we can get in this post 2016 hellscape.
Waiting for a better opportunity was the better choice. Prior to this I thought going full BENGHAZI was the best strategy given the cicrcumstances at the time because of the difficulty of turning the Senate vote into a GOP Catch-22. Post-Ukraine, they need to be going for the throat.
"Risky" isn't really what I'd call supporting it in a deep blue Dem district though. Those leading on it and those for whom it was a risk were generally two separate categories.
I'm very thankful AOC actually understand the politics of this, unlike Osita N.
Agreed, and the article as well.
I mean they got here. It's whatevah.
The food is cold, the good liquor is gone, and I wouldn't open that closet door if I were you.
But the party's still goin, and they got here...I guess.
Am I crazy or is Harrelson even wearing a contact lens to make his eye look like Biden's during the climate debate?
Maxine Waters has been attacked by Donald Trump (and her own party). She has been regularly used as fodder by the president.
She's had death threats sent to her office.
There was risk.
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Schiff has been grinding away at the impeachment for months, that was his job in leadership not Pelosi's. There were other investigations, as well. The Democrats haven't been dong nothing on congress until Pelosi's announcement this week.
So I just found this article, not sure if it's posted yet.
Since the Impeachment has started the polling in favour for it has significantly increased. According to Jeff flake (A former R Senator) "if it were a secret vote 35 republicans would vote in favour of impeachment". If the polls increase further the republicans may vote in favour (despite not being secret) of it because it's politically expedient
If you remember Nixon's impeachment had low approval to start with but it eventually became a majority in favour, which he then resigned in response to.
The fact that Moscow Mitch can't block it means there's a good chance trump might actually get impeached, all we need to hope for is that Pelosi and the rest of the Democratic leadership don't snatch Defeat from the Jaws of Victory.
Since the Impeachment has started the polling in favour for it has significantly increased. According to Jeff flake (A former R Senator) "if it were a secret vote 35 republicans would vote in favour of impeachment". If the polls increase further the republicans may vote in favour (despite not being secret) of it because it's politically expedient
If you remember Nixon's impeachment had low approval to start with but it eventually became a majority in favour, which he then resigned in response to.
The fact that Moscow Mitch can't block it means there's a good chance trump might actually get impeached, all we need to hope for is that Pelosi and the rest of the Democratic leadership don't snatch Defeat from the Jaws of Victory.
It's not Pelosi and the Democrats you should be worried about on that subject, it's Moscow Mitch and the GOP. This is far too optimistic, as though we won already. We haven't, it's a long road ahead of us and we'll lose in the senate at this stage. This might change after the election, but considering how the senate leans more conservative with its makeup don't place any bets on it. Don't get complacent.
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I do like how you've already declared victory, and decided that the only way we can possibly lose is if the democrats fuck it up. Instead of the far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far more likely outcome that the republicans simply won't vote for conviction. What do you base your "there's a good chance trump might actually get impeached" on? I'm guessing it starts and ends with "well, he's obviously guilty, so they'll have to vote to convict." Notice too, how you don't even know how the process works, in that the House impeaches, and the Senate convicts. McConnell can't do jack shit to stop impeachment, so I guess, despite everything, your statement is factually correct, in that Mitch can't block anything in the House, and there is a good chance Trump will get impeached.
You know, an underrated aspect of why this particular story has broken the dam is that it had no prior buildup.
Even fairly moderate independents could look at the Mueller investigation and sort of handwave it as a politically motivated investigation looking back for dirt, even if that dirt was as rich as loam.
But this situation, even as an ongoing series of events, was never even hinted at beyond fitting a general pattern. It's so specific and new that it becomes a tipping point.
Even fairly moderate independents could look at the Mueller investigation and sort of handwave it as a politically motivated investigation looking back for dirt, even if that dirt was as rich as loam.
But this situation, even as an ongoing series of events, was never even hinted at beyond fitting a general pattern. It's so specific and new that it becomes a tipping point.
I think it's the 'new' part that kept peoples' attention. We've seen all manner of criminal activity from elected people, but straight up siding with tyrants and extortion caught on tape are new ones.
I also think we can't discount the fact that this is a perfect continuation of the whole Mueller investigation, so people didn't need an entirely new framework to assess whether they believed Trump was capable of this crap.
A lot of people couldn't get over Bush being personable and affable when it came to him ordering torture. It was too much of a departure from the person they though Shrub was. Everyone can believe Trump would be a self-dealing wannabe mobster to our friends and allies.
Edit: This poll just popped up, and I think it crystallizes the point that this is so on-brand for Trump
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Nepotistic grifters should take themselves and their kids out of our government.
If they were just rich dilettantes with questionable trappings of fascism, few people would care.
But I take your point about not dragging innocent kids into a political war
tl;dr the quarter closing is usually good for ramping up fundraising, but not this week because of imprachment. If you're one of the nobodys outside of the top 5 or Senatorial caucus, it means no one will give even more of a shit about you, and your $ dries up.
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External forces at this point are probably necessary to clear the field.
Compare it to a couple other cases -
Bill Clinton. He was never at actual threat of being removed from office but the lewinsky scandal forever solidified that he'd be viewed as, at least, a sexual miscreant. It also dominated airwaves. Why? It fit a previous image very well and was a new allegation. True, previous ones existed but he would have weathered those without comment because they were baked in. But a new one, easily distilled solidified an image.
Nixon. He already had the nickname Tricky Dick and had been embroiled in scandals. But those were old news. Again baked in. But watergate was new and easily explained, this solidifying the image.
A framework thus presents itself to help explain how to leverage scandal -
1. A preexisting notion must exist, but by itself cannot be enough.
2. Thus the new scandal must fit that image.
3. And be easily explained or overwhelming.
Let's look at Bush and Katrina. That really is the moment he entered an extended lame duck status. There was a general sense of his incompetence but it could be deflected by being relatively baked in or surrounding elements of policy people were willing to overlook. But Katrina was immediate and overwhelming while fitting into the idea of his incompetence.
To make a very long story short, I had a change in my religious outlook that undermined the foundations of my social conservatism, which in turn caused me to question what else I was wrong about. Social conservatism ties into economic conservatism (I realized that there's no way to help the poor like Jesus wanted without redistribution). It was fairly quickly apparent to me that one of the major underlying problems of the US was capitalism, which fueled its imperialism, and that the Democrats merely wanted capitalism and imperialism with a human face.
The economic crash sped me along and the Obama administration left me feeling pretty comfortable in my assessment.
This is what my inadequate baby brain was reaching for, thank you. This is what tipped the scales, imo, in 2016. 30 years of laying the groundwork with a narrative of corruption, and the Republicans stumbling over the server.
This is a good initial model
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