Which runs into problems when they don't have the senate or the presidency, as well.
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US PoliEra 2019 |OT7| It's happening
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Which runs into problems when they don't have the senate or the presidency, as well.
We've all acknowledged that we regained the House because of good strategy and because we have a Republican president. We wouldn't have gotten it otherwise because that's how the pendulum swings in this country. Good strategy enabled us to capitalize upon the swing but did not create the environment. Again, win the White House and your party suffers downballot. We lost in 2010 because of the usual midterm backlash amplified by Tea Party racism.
But I guess actual political science is probably boring and technocratic and is no match for fiery indignation.
I'm wondering where constantly promoting boring leadership with poor communication skills, and treating voters of color as barely there until election years factors into this brilliant strategy.
The above thinking is flawed because it assumes a reality where Democrats are already doing everything perfectly. I don't think they are (because they aren't). But, if you do think that way why would you want to change anything? Nancy's doing fine. Expecting a fascist to activate our base for us is fine. Ignoring the part of the constitution that requires us to have just a wee bit of nerve is fine. This is fine. This is all fine. Just got to wait for the old pendulum to swing.
But they won the goddamn election! They had the Vice President of one of the greatest peacetime expansions of the economy in American history running away from his record and his otherwise spectacularly popular running mate! The parade of horrible that's supposed to stop us from taking the offensive is... losing a couple of seats in a midterm and winning the next presidential election? (Or fighting it to a draw, if you prefer). Quelle horreur!
For fuck's sake, Benghazi almost certainly improved Republican chances in 2016.
Now compare what happened in the wake of watergate and give me an expected value calculation of how many seats your average impeachment inquiry is going to win you.
While Impeachment may be talked about in factual or poll driven terms, it is important to consider how the perceived threat of impeachment or lack thereof may impact the behavior of a person who is largely myopic and reactive to present circum stance (Trump)
We had options on Garland. Obama should have done a recess appointment and let the chips fall where they may.
Did you miss that episode where Obama tried a recess appointment on another office, it went to court, SCOTUS sided in the Senate's favor, and from then on the Senate was perpetually in session to preclude recess appointments?
No, Obama could not recess appoint Garland. And even if he could've, the appointment would've expired at the end of the Congress and let Trump fill the vacancy anyway.
As I posted on a friend's fb post about this, that's a bold strategy for a state you won by 10k votes.
What the actual fuck
I'm sure his 4chan trolls love this.
He's talking about between the last last congress and the last congress. There's like a 3 second window on Jan 3. It's clearly in a gray area legally and Obama is an institutionalist so GLWT. I think it's hard to talk about respecting norms and the constitution and then doing something like that but the stakes of the game have changed.
Remember all of the people who disliked Bush politically but "would have a beer with him?" Trump lacks that appeal.
The SCOTUS decisions ruling against Obama's recess appointments in 2012-14 were 9-0. Also, a recess appointment by legal definition has to expire. It cannot be indefinite or for a lifetime.
Again, we had the chance to punish the GOP and change the Court by winning in 2016, but ~~~she wasn't exciting~~~ or ~~~I just don't trust her~~~. Nothing pisses me off more than when people have actual, realistic chances to effect change BY JUST VOTING, fail to do it, and then rather than blame themselves hop on the COWARDLY DEMS SHOULD'VE DONE [INSERT IMPOSSIBLE MANEUVER THAT ANGRY TWITTER PEOPLE ASSURE ME WOULD'VE WORKED HERE]. It starts with you, sugar boo. Look at yourself first. Better yet, look at Mawmaw and Uncle Jimbob who loved all the racist shit he said and voted for him - you know, because they're racist - and are the actual reason we're in this mess. Blame them and confront them for valuing white supremacy over their own livelihoods, for being so eager to punish people of color that they voted for a malignant narcissist, for rejecting a qualified candidate because she didn't have a dick and didn't appeal to their deplorable nature.
But that would involve personal discomfort and is much harder than calling Clinton a bad candidate, Obama a spineless centrist, and Democrats cowards from behind a phone or computer screen. If it's always about spineless Democrats and what they could've done, it's never about the voters, and you never have to admit they're bad people and that the actual problem is the electorate.
The vote would potentially backfire on democrats from trump districts.
There is a zero percent chance of a senate conviction (aka removal from office) even if the house impeaches because the Republican party likes the bad things about trump.
So probably leadership isn't convinced it would be a potent enough messaging tool to outweigh any damage done in marginal districts.
alternatively, enough D Congresspeople from districts that bird trump may have said "lol no I'm never voting to impeach" that the Speaker is trying to squash the concept because an impeachment vote failing in the house is the worst scenario
This is a rant for a different setting. Because I sure as hell voted AND volunteered that election. I have these conversations irl on the regular. And I think most people actively participating in this discussion can say some version of the same.
And yet, I'm fully on Team NancyKickRocks.
Right now, it's that the votes aren't there. That's all.
Yes, it is. Talk to the poster who went from impeachment talk back to "Obama should've done [impossible thing here] and was cowardly because he didn't."
Who tf are the 4% that approve of him personally and disapprove of his policies???
Probably old white people that have known of him for a while, but disagree.
Of course they had to take it down today for route maintenance. Makes perfect sense to do it on this day. -_-
The decision was about intrasession recesses. It was silent on intersession. I'm obviously unconvinced.
People who love the bigotry and shit-talk but wanted the populist economics he campaigned on?
The channer candidate hates women with autonomy? Say it ain't so!
If this is true, fuck him. Very glad he's not a serious contender.
Yeah, for those that haven't, the Island kinda prides itself at keeping car use to an absolute minimum. Not surprised this administration wouldn't care about any of that though.
You could just make a Michigan-only campaign ad of that. And it's not as if the Republicans don't go to Mackinac every freaking year.
It's more than at a minimum, cars have been banned since 1896, and are only allowed in emergencies. It forced me as a kid to learn how to ride a bike because my family wanted to do a tour of the island.
"Looking very red"
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
He looks like a dead fish left out in the sun.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
He looks like a dead fish left out in the sun.
Pompeo actually said that since Russia interfered, it is ok for Trump to ask Ukraine to investigate Biden.
This is insanity. We have reached a tipping point with illegality now. If Pelosi doesn't start impeachment process, she needs to go. I don't care about votes. Public opinion swayed during the Nixon impeachment process.
This is insanity. We have reached a tipping point with illegality now. If Pelosi doesn't start impeachment process, she needs to go. I don't care about votes. Public opinion swayed during the Nixon impeachment process.
wild how Chuck fucking Todd is the first one to ask about that
The impeachment process has been started. It comes out of the Judiciary committee. They have opened the investigation.
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