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US PoliEra 2019 |OT7| It's happening
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This says absolutely nothing. She doesn't list any tangible repercussions. Her mild threat is completely undermined by her concern trolling the repercussions of this admin on our democracy.
I hate how this is being continually phrased as "Biden's activities" when it's about his son. This shit is playing right into the narrative trump is trying to create.
I thought I saw earlier that Ukraine was like, "we're happy to turn anything over if Trump is OK with it" which means... lol
Yeah I'm sure the White House will get right on that.
There's enough out already.
But the Mueller report didn't move the needle that much so why will this be any different?
Why would Ukraine do that?
Pelosi is very good at whipping voters and bringing together the House Dem caucus, perhaps better than any other House Dem leader in modern history. But she's also never whipped votes for impeachment before (and should be noted did not whip for impeachment against Bush), which I have to imagine is substantially different from whipping votes for legislation, especially when you're talking about these purple Problem Solvers Caucus moderates. The "if she wanted it to happen she could just make it happen" is not necessarily true!
Pelosi has normalized all of Trump's behavior. He's going to cheat his way to another stolen "electoral victory" and that still isn't enough for impeachment.
I don't think most are likely to need the shielding anymore.
Well, they don't really have any reason not to. If Trump's narrative is accurate, then there shouldn't be any problem. Admittedly, Congress requesting it would put them in a bad position and they'd probably just decline to participate. Surely they have ways of at least getting transcripts though. Or would those be locked away under presidential privilege?
It's so embarrassing how many people (myself included) defended Pelosi when they first took back the House and she has been more than useless since then. I'm seriously so tired of Democratic leadership's strategy of just appeasing Republicans no matter what. Historically unpopular Republican president? We don't want to rock the boat, we might throw the election that's already in the bag! Popular president? He's popular, we can't make too much fuss and tank our chances even more! Everyone knows what the reality is with the Senate and what little power Democrats actually have, but the messaging is horrible. When do you ever see Pelosi or Schumer trying to energize liberals or push the dialogue to the left? It's always "now now let's not be hasty" and pushing back against policies that poll well nationally because they're afraid it might offend some middle aged white guy in Michigan. It's pathetic, and the only reason they are able to keep acting this way is because they know that the people who feel this way have absolutely no choice but to vote straight D every time and hope things change someday. This country sucks.
This problem goes far beyond Pelosi and you need to kill the Senate/EC to fix it.
I really don't think this is going to be the turning point.
The "Republicans won't impeach him/this has to be bipartisan" mentality will prevent impeachment proceedings
Mitch folded last night on the election funding all of a sudden.
That's a tell.
It's not that she's not "making it happen." It's not that she's not even trying (though she's not). It's that she's actively whipping against impeachment in almost every public statement she makes.
If every time Trump does something clearly impeachable, you as the House Leader put out a statement that's tantamount to "This President is behaving badly. We will hold him accountable, nothing is off the table. But this isn't enough" then congrats, you've just contributed to the normalization of every contemptible thing Trump has done up to this point. And to be clear, Trump is lapping the impeachment argument. The case has long been made. You can't be surprised that support for impeachment is dragging when that's the message from leadership.
Why, all of a sudden, would he suddenly let that bill go through? Because of a nickname in his state? Really?
I'm not even sure why Pelosi wanted to be Speaker when all she's doing with the position is destroying her reputation. Happy to be proven wrong, but as it's going history is not going to look back fondly on her.
Didn't Obama do tax cuts? Oh yeah he's black so it doesn't count
When all of a sudden he relents on it last night just as the Ukraine story was exploding in the news. That timing can't be a coincidence.
Seth Masket @smotus
On the one hand you have a whistleblower saying Trump pressured Ukraine to interfere in the US election but on the other hand you have Trump's lawyer saying Trump pressured Ukraine to interfere in the US election and I don't know who to believe.
On the one hand you have a whistleblower saying Trump pressured Ukraine to interfere in the US election but on the other hand you have Trump's lawyer saying Trump pressured Ukraine to interfere in the US election and I don't know who to believe.
I member.
Probably because I'm a CPA and fucking ENJOY doing my taxes.
I mean, this whole thing is just kinda weird because we've already reached the point where the impeachment process has in fact started regardless and Pelosi is just trying to play pretend and act like it hasn't despite the fact it actually has, and everything's just really muddled and dumb as a result (even if that doesn't end up making any difference, it's still really weird and bizarre the way her and Nadler/Judiciary seem to be feuding in public and private alike over this).
He folded on $250 million for election security but the House passed $600 million
It's a little something but far from a tell imo
I'm entirely convinced a story could drop about how Trump was trying to rig 2020 voter machines and the statement from pelosi would be the same. She from the beginning made the calculus that unless like 80% of the public was crying on the streets for impeachment that she would be content to continually dismiss the whole thing.
Yeah I don't think it was really mentioned here. Good news.
Yeah, it wasn't, I meant to post it but got deluged last night w other stuff to do. Thread's out there in OT if you want to bump it.
You want a partisan DoJ so that they can do better under a Dem admin.
You want a non-partisan Government Accountability Office which has law enforcement powers and is the exclusive domain of policing elected and senate-confirmed officials.
The American Media is such a fucking joke. It's infuriating.
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