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All of this. Absolutely all of this.

I think the only way that you can render Kav impotent (and that's not really the right word, but anyways) is by going at him and Gorsuch and saying something along the lines of "SCOTUS is the highest court of the land, and we should never play politics with appointments. The highest Judges of the land should be judges of unimpeachable character, appointed by a Senate that does not make rules up because they don't like the current President. We need to formally legislate the process of appointment, so that neither political side can take advantage of retirements or untimely deaths." And then actually pass legislation to make it so. Which obviously needs a D President, majority in the house and senate, and probably removing the filibuster. Also, saying and doing that essentially rules out court-packing, so it's a questionable route to take if you have all that power and willingness already.

Even if you made more rules do you really think a GOP Senate will adhere to them? The court is already bankrupt and so is the entire GOP.

Why the fuck do y'all want to keep negotiating with literal terrorists and if you won't accept that at the very least complete bad faith actors?

Like tell me how your brains work that you really think the GOP is ever going to play fair ball with us again?

How can you possibly think that? What rules do you think you can make that they will adhere to?

We're at a zero sum game at this point. They literally broke all of the rules in 2016. They're still breaking them. They've treated the court as their partisan institution for the last 40 fucking years. Get the fucking picture. Christ.

It's complete cognitive dissonance at this point. The game is already over if we aren't willing to play on their field. They've already set the field. It's not getting reset as easily as your rose colored glasses make it seem.
 
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dabig2

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But impeachment is useless don't you read this board.

It's whatever dude, save that energy for developments for our ongoing impeachment inquiry. Rubicon has been crossed and tipping points will be breached. Going to be a long ride, and plenty of time to drag people.

And this is rightfully gettiing ratio'd.

CNN: Corey Lewandowski: "I have no obligation to be honest with the media" https://cnn.it/2Aq8Kbn



CNN hired this dude. Just reminding you all.

4th estate needs to be forced to look at themselves, especially after 2016. If 1 thing can be accomplished by what we do over this next year, this is the least we can do. Process bullshit bills ain't the way to do that.
 

Pixieking

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Even if you made more rules do you really think a GOP Senate will adhere to them? The court is already bankrupt and so is the entirely of the GOP.

Why the fuck do y'all want to keep negotiating with literal terrorists and if you won't accept that at the very least complete bad faith actors?

Like tell me how your brains work that you really think the GOP is ever going to play fair ball with us again?

How can you possibly think that? What rules do you think you can make that they will adhere to?

We're at a zero sum game at this point. They literally broke all of the rules in 2016. They're still breaking them.

It's complete cognitive dissonance at this point. The game is already over if we aren't willing to play on their field. They've already set the field. It's not getting reset as easily as your rose colored glasses make it seem.

If this is your view, then there's literally nothing acceptable to you, surely? Even packing the courts is pointless, because the GOP will ignore it, or do it themselves when in power.
 

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If this is your view, then there's literally nothing acceptable to you, surely? Even packing the courts is pointless, because the GOP will ignore it, or do it themselves when in power.

If we're in a position to do it they can't ignore it so no. Add 5 states. Hold the Senate. Put the boot on the throat.

What's acceptable to me is fighting like we fucking mean it instead of continually trying to negotiate with a racist and bad faith party. Legislate them into nothingness. That's what they are trying to do to us. Return the favor.

They've treated Scotus as a partisan institution for 40 years. Time we do the same.

I'll take periods of of a progressive court over literally nothing, for decades on end.

You also ignored most of my post.
 

FreezePeach

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I'd recommend watching Berke's tear down:




The key thing from this whole cherade, though, and the reason I think it took so long to get to, is that Nadler was laying down the rule changes to prevent future stone-walling because the response from Republicans when this happened was sheer chaos, but they can not do it again. Don't be surprised if other witnesses now entirely chicken out of every appearing, and may need to be fined repeatedly to attend.

That was 30 minutes of the grim reaper slowly revealing himself. These motherfuckers are so obviously lying its hilarious, and then sad that half the country believes them.
 
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I'm listening to Warren's interview on Maddow, and she's repeating something tonight that she said in her speech last night that I really didn't like. The only thing that I really didn't like.

"We won't get anywhere by being afraid. Democrats win by fighting being bold bla bla bla..."

Warren, do not condescend potential voters. This is the type of messaging that's aimed at voters for whom voting was always an allowance. This is a fight message for white people.

You have to understand that for black people, particularly older black people, participating in the political process at all is an act of bravery. It wasn't too long ago, that white supremacists were posted outside of polling places of majority black districts with attack dogs. It wasn't too long ago that black folk were being beaten for daring to exercise their right to vote. For black people, voting AT ALL is brave. Believing in the process AT ALL is brave. Gathering, organizing, and going out to vote for the VP of the First Black President is not going to be seen as the weak, fearful, or even uninspired thing to do.

It's really bad messaging if you're hoping to eventually peel black voters off of Biden. And, make no mistake, if Biden ultimately wins? It'll be because he held on to his black support.

At the same time though, considering what's been at stake and what sort of actions should be carried out in 2021 in the event that Democrats take back the White House and the Senate (packing the SC, nuking the filibuster, adding Washington D.C. and Puerto Rico as states to gain 4 more Senate seats, arresting Trump once he's out of office), I have to side with Warren here. We do need to be brave.

You're not at all wrong that it's brave for any black person to participate in the political process and that absolutely needs to be acknowledged far more readily by the rest of the Democratic base. However the responsibility is on the Democratic Party as a whole to take a stand somewhere along the line. The Democratic leaders in Congress have been afraid for the past year, despite taking back the House. For instance, we were all just bemoaning in this thread how unprepared and useless the hearing today was a few hours ago.

Also as far as messaging for black voters to transition over from Biden to Warren goes, hasn't the common consensus among most folks here been that that would only really happen anyway if Warren wins early states like Iowa and New Hampshire to show that she's a genuinely viable candidate with electability?

Granted, I recognize and relent that I myself am a white man.
 

Arm Van Dam

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PA GOP state senator arrested for possession of some sick shit


VERY large news. The state AG's office has just arrested GOP state Senator Mike Folmer for possession of child pornography. Their statement below



Per @4st8 , this district voted for Scott Wagner 52-48% in 2018 so it's definitely a reach seat for Dems.

Voted for Scott Wagner 52-48 and Barletta 57-43 in 2018
 

Wilsongt

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Lawd jesus. God forbid any Democrat ignore a subpenis in 2021 after Republicans regain the house and begin their investigation into the witch hunt against Trump.

This is sarcasm folks. It sounds ridiculous for a reason. People should not be ignoring subpeonas for partisan reason because a rotting mango told them to ignore them.
 

Pixieking

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If we're in a position to do it they can't ignore it so no. Add 5 states. Hold the Senate. Put the boot on the throat.

Bolded is something you can't rely on. And when it's the GOP's time again, they'll just pack the courts, or go one step further and say the Dems have made a mockery of SCOTUS, and do something crazy.

You also ignored most of my post.

I did, because there's not much I can say to to it. *shrugs*
 

shinra-bansho

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Lol, with everyone on your ignore list I assume this thread just looks like a string of your own posts yelling about do nothing pussyfooters.
 

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It's whatever dude, save that energy for developments for our ongoing impeachment inquiry. Rubicon has been crossed and tipping points will be breached. Going to be a long ride, and plenty of time to drag people.

And this is rightfully gettiing ratio'd.







4th estate needs to be forced to look at themselves, especially after 2016. If 1 thing can be accomplished by what we do over this next year, this is the least we can do. Process bullshit bills ain't the way to do that.


I don't know that we've truly crossed the rubicon but it's getting there.
 

Pixieking

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Peace then. Welcome to my ignore list.

I mean, on the slim chance you haven't ignored me already...

I wasn't being passive-aggressive, I just had nothing to say to what you said. You have your opinion, just as I have mine, and I'm too old (I'm forty-fucking-one this month. :( ) to try and convince people of stuff.

But, yeah, peace.
 

dabig2

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There is nothing legitimate about our government. The system was poisoned from the beginning. All aspects.

The question is, how much necromancy can we perform on the corpse when motherfuckers keep pissing on it. We can play 1988 politics in a 2019 world, or we can try something else. We're kinda under the gun here, so big times ahead requires big time moves today. If the hardest thing to do is hope that we're good enough to rally the people against multiple ongoing existential threats, then we take that shot. Tick tock.
 

Royalan

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Ed Buck was just arrested.

And I'm emotional. Happy emotional.

May that man eat shit.
 

aspiegamer

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ZzzzzzZzzzZzz...
The new "thing" in the middle east is that Iran launched the attack drones, and they somehow magically bypassed US radar + air and missile defense systems in the gulf, flew over US combat ships, past US air patrols, and the Saudis couldn't defend themselves because their missiles were pointed south toward Yemen. Because, you know, missiles can only be shot in one direction once deployed, permanently (duh!), and they have no jets to intercept stuff that might come from Iran or something.

It's a painfully lazy construct. Naturally, the US has provided zero evidence of any of this happening.
 
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I'd recommend watching Berke's tear down:




The key thing from this whole cherade, though, and the reason I think it took so long to get to, is that Nadler was laying down the rule changes to prevent future stone-walling because the response from Republicans when this happened was sheer chaos, but they can not do it again. Don't be surprised if other witnesses now entirely chicken out of every appearing, and may need to be fined repeatedly to attend.


That thought came up for me as well. Kinda like Barr going before the SJC but after a bad case of the Stolen Soul via Harris, he bailed out on the HJC he was scheduled to appear at due to oversight, thus beginning the siege mentality the cabal has been in ever since. Quiznos Boy may be the trial balloon for a post-impeachment world and no others will show. Immovable Object and all that.
 

Royalan

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Oh wow another guy ODed in his house? This whole saga has been so tragic and odd
Tragic doesn't even begin. This man has been preying on gay black men for years. Men have been dropping dead in his house for years.

But,

a) he's rich
b) he's white
c) they're black
d) they're gay
e) they're poor
 

Malleymal

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Man... that Berke questioning is what every damn hearing should be. It was hilarious watching that smug faces idiot start squirming in his seat. I actually enjoyed watching the blonde lady behind Lewandowski. She was all smiles and laughs as he was stonewalling, and then flipped to "oh wtf" during the questioning.

That is how you work.
 

Captjohnboyd

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Tragic doesn't even begin. This man has been preying on gay black men for years. Men have been dropping dead in his house for years.

But,

a) he's rich
b) he's white
c) they're black
d) they're gay
e) they're poor
If I remember you had a somewhat personal connection to someone he preyed on right? Or maybe I mistook your anger as personal it was a while back.

That aside, this guy was clearly a disgusting human and homicidal to boot so it's good something is finally being done. It was a story I'd been hoping to see with some closure and this is a good start
 

patientzero

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Ed Buck was just arrested.

And I'm emotional. Happy emotional.

May that man eat shit.

Tragic doesn't even begin. This man has been preying on gay black men for years. Men have been dropping dead in his house for years.

But,

a) he's rich
b) he's white
c) they're black
d) they're gay
e) they're poor

Just a reminder that nothing good has ever emerged from Steubenville, OH. It's a region that seems consumed by folks of rapacious tastes, both literal and otherwise.
 

shinra-bansho

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300% increase for Beto. Now it's time to shine.

I expect Buttigieg and Harris to cross streams soon.

I don't really know what his play is.

Maybe a Cabinet post since he's not going to be anyone's VP. There's really nothing back for him in South Bend / Indiana.
 

dlauv

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300% increase for Beto. Now it's time to shine.

I expect Buttigieg and Harris to cross streams soon.

I don't really know what his play is.

Maybe a Cabinet post since he's not going to be anyone's VP. There's really nothing back for him in South Bend / Indiana.
$$$

He's going to win no matter what happens tho. Whether he gets a cabinet position or not. Even if he clings to 1% come IA (which won't happen but, ). If he was just another white guy then nah but his campaign has been unequivocally historic.
 
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patientzero

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I'd just go ahead and extend that to the entire Appalachia-lite side of Ohio

Solid thesis, honestly.

Or honestly the entire state.

Hey now, I come from the land of Lebron, Chrissie Hynde (thoughts on rape...aside), the Black Keys, Devo, Jim Jarmusch, Judith Resnick, the Firestones, the Seiberlings, the founder of AA, and more.

I have a lot of weird, misplaced hometown pride. My general dream upon a modest inheritance is to get in with our local university, our international institute, and more to make us at least a modestly relevant locale for the arts, immigrant and refugee rights, and local activism.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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I'd recommend watching Berke's tear down:




The key thing from this whole cherade, though, and the reason I think it took so long to get to, is that Nadler was laying down the rule changes to prevent future stone-walling because the response from Republicans when this happened was sheer chaos, but they can not do it again. Don't be surprised if other witnesses now entirely chicken out of every appearing, and may need to be fined repeatedly to attend.


Masterclass.

I agree Trump toadies might be a little more skittish now to appear but it means the hearings could end up being more productive once they do attend if the Dems continue to use a professional counselor. The problem House members are in constant campaign mode, so they don't want to give up the opportunity to show their voters back home just how important they are.

That said, what was this hearing for? Is this about the Mueller Report? Impeachment inquiry? An inquiry on whether to have an inquiry? Part of what made this less newsworthy is because no one knows what the hell Democrats are doing.
 

Madison

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todays hearings have made me go from being mildly supportive of impeachment to being...mildly supportive of impeachment...+1

Because it depends how the democrats pursue the hearings and the theatre. If they get played like they honestly did during the Kavanaugh hearing (so many fuck ups) or the early parts of the Lewadowski thing then it might be a disaster. If they are smart about it and play their cards right, theres something big in their hands.
 

adam387

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I've just never liked Ohio. I mean, my life is here now, so it is what it is. But I'd go back to Florida in a minute. (if that was possible which its not because, like I said, our lives are here. Our kids lives are here. Our company is here.)
 

JetmanJay

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I'd recommend watching Berke's tear down:




The key thing from this whole cherade, though, and the reason I think it took so long to get to, is that Nadler was laying down the rule changes to prevent future stone-walling because the response from Republicans when this happened was sheer chaos, but they can not do it again. Don't be surprised if other witnesses now entirely chicken out of every appearing, and may need to be fined repeatedly to attend.


Thank you so much for linking this video 👍

And goddamn man, these republicans are a bunch of insipid children. From this clip and what little I saw during the day, they have no urge whatsoever to glean any factual evidence from this hearing. Not a surprise at all, but I wish most Americans could see that bullshit. Actually going so far as to interrupt the whole thing to draw a vote on whether to allow the prosecutor to question, because of terminology on whether he was a consult or or contractor? Fuck these traitors.
And fuck Corey for trying to glibly hawk and advertise his piece of shit book while he was being grilled. No shame whatsoever.

Can Jeff Sessions be subpoenaed to further elucidate that Corey asked him to obstruct on order from the president?
 

Kirblar

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I've just never liked Ohio. I mean, my life is here now, so it is what it is. But I'd go back to Florida in a minute. (if that was possible which its not because, like I said, our lives are here. Our kids lives are here. Our company is here.)
The HAHA YOURE NOW STUCK IN OHIO image is unfortunately a thing for a reason.
 
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