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US PoliEra 2019 |OT7| It's happening
- Thread starter Ogodei
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This hearing is actually turning out more ridiculous than I expected. They should've planned to lock him up for contempt right from the start. Democrats need to learn to start playing dirty and remember that NONE of these Trump stooges are actually going to willingly turn on him. You're going to actually have to have bite behind your bark.
I have to disagree with you about Steve Cohen. What of any substance did he uncover? It was mostly more "You're loyal bagman, right??" type stuff. We need Congressmen to get rid of the laundry list and ask straight-up questions and make him read the excerpts from the report. The problem is the majority of the House Dems are completely unprepared with their questions. They either try to go directly for the kill-shot ("Did you help Trump commit obstruction of justice!") or when that fails start speed reading through the Mueller Report. Hank Johnson managed to get something out of Cory because he knew how to eat around the edges and gradually work inwards.
So painful to watch. I basically have to accept that no Republican administration will ever be accountable to Congress in my lifetime. They couldn't do it with the Iraq War, Financial Crisis, and now Trump Corruption. Dems aren't even paper tigers, they're just little house cats. I don't know why I keep falling for their lies that they'll provide real oversight this time. They're a cocktail mix of cowardice and incompetence.
This whole hearing is a joke. They all look like fools, and no one gets anything out of this. I have no care anymore, it is seriously a waste of time.
I know I couldn't sit on that committee, I would attack the hell out of those congressmen who are blatantly in cahoots with the president.
I know I couldn't sit on that committee, I would attack the hell out of those congressmen who are blatantly in cahoots with the president.
The gop want it to be a joke so they can say it's a joke and democrats don't know what to do.
Painful to watch, I agree. But this is how these judicial, intelligence, and oversight hearings have been so far. These people just don't cooperate or take congressional responsibility seriously, and they want other people to come away with the same feeling (not taking government seriously) - so that as many of them as possible will either vote for Trump or sit out the general election.
The difference now is that this is "post-impeachment-announcement", but otherwise there's really not much difference than the earlier ones.
And yet, so much has been gathered and uncovered to this point. And at every hearing, the up-to-the-moment news coverage has been "what in the world are they doing", but by 24 hours later the story has completely changed and more gets either leaked or uncovered. So I am going to stick with this for now and their performances before congress are not going to sway me into sitting out the general election.
The thing is, it's not even playing dirty! It's literally following the rules and expectations for non-cooperative testimony.
It's not like we're asking them to fake punt or use trickery. We just want them to stop punting on first down for "field position."
edit: lol Nadler got asked directly to hold Lewandowsky in contempt and he did nothing, absolute cowardice
I guess I don't see why swallwell and that other guy brought up contempt where they did.
Like has literally no one talked to Nadler about contempt?
If it wasn't planned out to do it by the end of the hearing it's not going to happen.
And yeah I guess I wouldn't be surprised if we're so disorganized no one has even brought it up to Nadler as an actual thing to do.
Like has literally no one talked to Nadler about contempt?
If it wasn't planned out to do it by the end of the hearing it's not going to happen.
And yeah I guess I wouldn't be surprised if we're so disorganized no one has even brought it up to Nadler as an actual thing to do.
"Democratic primary voters."
Not quite sure that is the group to count on for electability numbers. I love Warren and am supporting her all the way, but if she cannot win over independents, she cannot win the election.
But the overall Dem strategy arc (if there is one), is that immunity does not apply here and Corey continuously trotting that out is contempt.
If there's one frustrating but consistent aspect of all these hearings, it's that Democrats don't seem to prepare/organize their strategy ahead of time. They all seem to wing-it, and solo.
The shit's chess, it ain't checkers!
Maybe I wasn't paying well enough attention but I thought he was give good grades by voters on it.
Thanks. Not really familiar with the guy.
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This isn't a meeting of grandmasters on either side of the dais.
Biden does best with the people who are paying the least attention to the race right now.
You don't need to be a grandmaster to fucking organize. That's my point.
This is like watching 5 year-olds play soccer.
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I can't tell if this is real (a common refrain these days)
Wasn't this done in the Watergate hearings, where everyone ceded time like the GOP did w/ the Kav hearing?
Yup, Is contain actual Is and shy tories. It's one of several factors why the Dems are larger.
This seems kind of huge
This....can't be real.
NC Senate passed the House's maps 24-21, party line, all Dems voted against, 5 GOP did not vote (technically 4 with Bishop leaving)
Probably in debt to Delaney himself.
YASSSSSSSS King
He is a G. I am not surprised at all that it was him.
With any luck the courts will throw out the new maps and let the special master take over.
Raskin's followup was like "well then I hope Trump isn't watching" lol
Just do it Jerry. This is your first actual week of a publicly known impeachment procedure and your first real test so far, one indicative of what's to come. Saddle up and hold this fucker in inherent contempt. Don't even need to jail, just fine them $25,000 every day.
And then do the same for whoever ignored their subpoena to witness today. And keep doing this.
His kids are 7-12 years old. First, they should be in school. Second, if they aren't in school they are not watching this crap. Third, even if they are, they're old enough to know it's not real. Fourth, his kids are probably wondering why he worked for a criminal.
Yeah I mean if the bar is actually this low what the hell is the point.
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