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Wracu

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I still can't get over the fact that Biden implied that the problem with black families is that...we don't know how to raise our kids.

He's tried to do a "black people are underprivileged" answer a million times now and every time it turns into racist word soup by the second sentence.
 
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I think this is why she is constantly telling her story from that non-coastal perspective. She can leverage a lot of life experience and she sounds a hell of a lot more authentic than Donald "got my millions from daddy" Trump

All she has to do is remind people that he's a coastal elite New Yorker and always has been, he can't recite a single thing from the bible, and doesn't pay his taxes. Say it over and over and over.

Applause line: "I don't think you should have to pay more in taxes than Donald Trump and all of his rich friends."

Her messaging, which usually goes over like a wet fart from most Dems, is aces on this and working that angle to the hilt.

Continue to frame it as "sticking with her values" and that's a good 1-2 punch.

ORCA V2.0: The Griftening

Makes ya think huh? It's the rolling up of the RNC into his Parscale Shop-A-Thon thing of a campaign really really makes me think too.

The thought of him raiding the WinRed coffers for cash this time next year as he grifted all his away to this mob bosses would be even more hilarious.

The fuck dont they go to the press then???

We may be dealing with real serious national security stuff. As DNI/ADNI, I'd hope they knew what to do with something like this.
 

Teggy

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Regardless of what he was/wasn't implying, that answer was a rambling, stumbling, mumbled mess. I was shocked.
 

Chaos Legion

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Regardless of what he was/wasn't implying, that answer was a rambling, stumbling, mumbled mess. I was shocked.
This is true.

The minute she raised the question, I thought it'd be a death toll of him trying to mumble an explanation of his quote from 40 years ago. The incoherent mess he stated of acknowledging institutional racism and then trying to just give his response to educational inequality was so laughable, I was amazed
 

Teggy

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Something weird is happening at the huge Saudi Aramco oil processing plant. At minimum there have been several explosions and large fires. It's possible there's been an attack of some sort as there are videos with what sounds like gunfire. The Saudis appear to be trying to limit the information about it.
 

Chaos Legion

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He had no answer to the question (your words 40 years ago about not being responsible for the actions of your ancestors actions 300 years before and how that mentality has shaped racial inequality). If you look as she asked him he laughed, because the previous two candidates had softballs where they talked about their education plan - Warren talked about how she was a teacher; Bernie mentioned all teachers should make $60K. Biden acknowledged that there is institutional racism and he's tried fighting it (redlining - then he lost thought).

Then he pivoted to education reform (his wives were teachers, title I school funding, not enough counselors for students, record player, students going to school at 2, intervening at the home).

I was in awe that he just completely ignored the question. Corey Booker highlighted it subtly (the VP didn't just have words, his actions 40 years ago contributed to racism in education).

I thought he fucked up the answer, but more because he was exposed of not even being able to reconcile his previous words to the modern day.
 

Blue Skies

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Something weird is happening at the huge Saudi Aramco oil processing plant. At minimum there have been several explosions and large fires. It's possible there's been an attack of some sort as there are videos with what sounds like gunfire. The Saudis appear to be trying to limit the information about it.

What city is that in?
 

shinra-bansho

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He had no answer to the question (your words 40 years ago about not being responsible for the actions of your ancestors actions 300 years before and how that mentality has shaped racial inequality). If you look as she asked him he laughed, because the previous two candidates had softballs where they talked about their education plan - Warren talked about how she was a teacher; Bernie mentioned all teachers should make $60K. Biden acknowledged that there is institutional racism and he's tried fighting it (redlining - then he lost thought).

Then he pivoted to education reform (his wives were teachers, title I school funding, not enough counselors for students, record player, students going to school at 2, intervening at the home).

I was in awe that he just completely ignored the question. Corey Booker highlighted it subtly (the VP didn't just have words, his actions 40 years ago contributed to racism in education).

I thought he fucked up the answer, but more because he was exposed of not even being able to reconcile his previous words to the modern day.
I think you're being waaaaaaaaaay too generous.

Biden has on multiple instances now shown he associates institutional racism with poverty - this was the same critique leveled rightfully at Sanders.
And as well meaning as he may be, the solution he presents to this is paternalistic white saviour junk.

Whether he was referring to poor people or black people, and given the way he responded I can't tell if he can tell the difference anyway, it was paternalistic nonsense.

And then there's the random as fuck Maduro thing.
 

dabig2

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The timeline appears to be this:

July 28: Trump announces DNI Coats departure
August 8: Deputy DNI Sue Gordon resigns effective August 15
August 12: Whistleblower files complaint
August 15: Coats and Gordon depart

Seen this story pointed out on Twitter that might take on more meaning yet...:



This curiosity just got my full attention. The urgentness of Schiff was palpable, and now I can start to see why.

So much crime I can't even begin to narrow down what the whistleblower was so concerned with, and why our nation's top spies apparently freaked the hell out of their careers.

Next week should be a fun infracture filled one
 

Snowy

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I should learn to trust my gut. I called Kamalaas the Dem Rubio, and that's exactly the perfoyshe is giving so far.

My gut doesn't know what to think about Biden, though. He genuinely has the cadence of one of my dementia patients, but the lure of "back to normal" is powerful.
 

Chaos Legion

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I think you're being waaaaaaaaaay too generous.

Biden has on multiple instances now shown he associates institutional racism with poverty - this was the same critique leveled rightfully at Sanders.
And as well meaning as he may be, the solution he presents to this is paternalistic white saviour junk.

Whether he was referring to poor people or black people, and given the way he responded I can't tell if he can tell the difference anyway, it was paternalistic nonsense.

And then there's the random as fuck Maduro thing.
I agree!

If you look back at my posts during the debate, when she finished the question, I literally said Biden was going to get murked by this. I don't even know how he could have spun that answer in a positive light.

He then proceeded to vomit that mix of words that allowed him to escape answering the question. In a CNN debate, after Booker called him out for not doing it, he'd have to respond, but we moved on.

I think he should be dragged for not being remotely talented enough to address the question. I don't think that meandering of words was his racism slipping. I was afraid when he was dropping "poor" schools and backgrounds that he'd pull another gaffe and bring race into it.
 

Blue Skies

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I should learn to trust my gut. I called Kamalaas the Dem Rubio, and that's exactly the perfoyshe is giving so far.

My gut doesn't know what to think about Biden, though. He genuinely has the cadence of one of my dementia patients, but the lure of "back to normal" is powerful.
But back to normal is some odd thing to want because we were never normal
If we were normal then trump even getting on a republican debate stage would've been impossible.
We have never been normal.
We have always strived to be tho
 

Royalan

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I agree!

If you look back at my posts during the debate, when she finished the question, I literally said Biden was going to get murked by this. I don't even know how he could have spun that answer in a positive light.

He then proceeded to vomit that mix of words that allowed him to escape answering the question. In a CNN debate, after Booker called him out for not doing it, he'd have to respond, but we moved on.

I think he should be dragged for not being remotely talented enough to address the question. I don't think that meandering of words was his racism slipping. I was afraid when he was dropping "poor" schools and backgrounds that he'd pull another gaffe and bring race into it.

Here's the thing, though...I don't think this is an instance of Biden "not knowing how to answer the question."

I tend to not respond to the gaffes politicians make. Because public speaking is hard af. Like I said after the Kamala r-word incident, sometimes it's easy to have perfect hindsight and crucify a candidate for not having the perfect response in the moment. But when you're in those shoes, it's hard. Hell, half you people criticizing candidates for not having perfect responses 100% of the time can't even be bothered to take on your own family, in private, when they say something blatantly racist in front of you. You run here with your tears looking for pity-pats.

When I do criticize a politician is when those "gaffes" coelesce to form a pattern indicating how you feel about a certain subject. The comparison to Bernie is spot-on. Bernie's "slipped" enough times mispeaking when it comes to "identity politics" for me to question whether or not he has legtimiate blind spots when it comes to race and intersectionality. Pelosi has "slipped" enough times at this point for me to suspect that she really does have more issues with the progressive wing of her caucus than she does with fucking Republicans. Biden has "slipped" enough times that it portrays a man who is only an "ally" in the sense that he isn't actively discriminating against us. Telegraphing that black people are in the situation we're in because we "just can't help ourselves" or we "don't know any better" is a classic dogwhistle, or emblematic of the type of "ally" who thinks that we're "good people" who just need to be "taught." Which, as i said earlier, is the exact type of white ally Black people had no choice but to make do with.
 

shinra-bansho

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Honestly, after his debate and campaign trail performance, it's hard not to think that Joe Biden running for President is just selfish and vain. He can't even answer himself why he's running other than he thinks he can win and he has always wanted to be President. He can't respond coherently to debate questions. He's basically coasting on name recognition and Obama-shield.

I mean I get that there's some element of ego to anyone running for President.

I am no fan of Bernie Sanders, but he actually has a purpose to his second Presidential run. I think he is also too old and should have instead backed someone with a similar agenda and purpose. But his motives aren't entirely selfish.

Elizabeth Warren actually has a purpose and wants to do meaningful things.

I can't tell why Joe Biden is running at all.
 
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spx54

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Honestly, after his debate and campaign trail performance, it's hard not to think that Joe Biden running for President is just selfish and vain. He can't even answer himself why he's running other than he thinks he can win and he has always wanted to be President.

I mean I get that there's some element of ego to anyone running for President.

I am no fan of Bernie Sanders, but he actually has a purpose to his second Presidential run. I think he is also too old and should have instead backed someone with a similar agenda and purpose. But his motives aren't entirely selfish.

Elizabeth Warren actually has a purpose and wants to do meaningful things.

I can't tell why Joe Biden is running at all.

funny enough the other day I was watching an old clip of Biden on Colbert's show saying someone shouldn't run for President if they can't clearly articulate why they're running.
 

aspiegamer

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I'm dying at the vaping thing. Someone must have pulled him aside and told him that som mainstream vaping products are owned by big tobacco corporations and that he probably does still want their money. The linked article says the plan is to allegedly keep vaping products that taste like tobacco legal, which is just... why? I don't disagree, but it still sounds extremely silly. It's almost as if tobacco products should be more heavily regulated in all forms or something, if by law they have to taste like death.

Thing is, when the obscenely fruity cigarettes were banned, those weren't controlled by the big corporations for the most part. It was more a niche and import thing. They'd already been busted marketing to kids in the past and were probably losing cash via kids going to novelty cigarettes. This will absolutely kill their bottom line, however, so I'm looking forward to seeing how much Trump rolls this back in the next few weeks.

VETS of all americans having medical debt is some serious bullshit regardless of any other takes on the issue.
 

aspiegamer

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Isn't that what the VA is meant to be for?
Yeah I'm going to need some clarification on this. I've (perhaps wrongly?) always assumed that vets had lifetime care at the VA, entirely on government money with no co-pays or anything. The issue has been for some time that care in the VA system is occasionally garbage vs some private hospitals, but, like, I thought they were promised at least some level of care regardless.
 

ArkhamFantasy

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Biden should be thankful that the media is still referring to him as a "gaffe" machine, rather than the more accurate comparison to Trump, not in terms of racism or anything like that, but for his rambling word salad that he's been spewing ever since he's been answering questions from the media.

It's honestly more concerning than the dog whistling is, is this a result of his age causing his mind to fail, or is his age irrelevant and he's just never been very sharp in the first place? Either way he has no business being president.
 

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Biden should be thankful that the media is still referring to him as a "gaffe" machine, rather than the more accurate comparison to Trump, not in terms of racism or anything like that, but for his rambling word salad that he's been spewing ever since he's been answering questions from the media.

It's honestly more concerning than the dog whistling is, is this a result of his age causing his mind to fail, or is his age irrelevant and he's just never been very sharp in the first place? Either way he has no business being president.
he had a few strokes yeah
 

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Yeah I'm going to need some clarification on this. I've (perhaps wrongly?) always assumed that vets had lifetime care at the VA, entirely on government money with no co-pays or anything. The issue has been for some time that care in the VA system is occasionally garbage vs some private hospitals, but, like, I thought they were promised at least some level of care regardless.

I'm a vet that used VA health care as my primary means of health care for a couple of years, so I'll try to give some clarification. And I apologize ahead of time for the egregious use of acronyms.

VA health care isn't necessarily free. When you first apply for it, you get assigned to different priority groups based on service-connected injuries / disabilities, income and whether or not you're a combat vet. Most priority groups lead to a vet being able to get free health care within the VA system, but a few of the lower priority groups lead to vets having to pay copayments.

The main issue with the VA is the number of facilities (that can actually care for someone) and wait times. So there's like 3 level of health care facility in the VA. You have CBOCs (Community-Based Outpatient Clinics) at the lowest level, OPC (Outpatient Clinics) in the middle and VAMC (VA Medical Centers) at the top. CBOCs are literally just clinics where you can go see a doctor if you're in pain, sick or for like a yearly physical. OPCs are more like a normal hospital and they can do stuff like X-rays or more involved testing, plus they have some specialists in-house, but they don't have emergency rooms or urgent care (at least none of the ones around me do). VAMCs are like medical complexes. These are where the VA emergency rooms are and these are the places where stuff like surgeries happen.

There are more CBOCs than OPCs or VAMCs. There are more OPCs than VAMCs and most states only have like 1 or 2 VAMCs. This means that if you have an emergency and you want to make use of that free healthcare by going to a VA emergency room, you have to go to a VAMC, which for a lot of people will be too far away. This leads to people going to local hospital emergency rooms. The VA is supposed to cover the costs of a visit to a local emergency room, so long as you meet their criteria, but even if you do meet the criteria, they will more often than not try to pin you with the bill.

Doctors in the CBOCs can only really refer you to an OPC or VAMC if you have something requiring X-rays, specialists or anything more involved than checking your ears or drawing blood. I used to go to a CBOC and the first time I met my doctor, the first thing he told me was that if I ever had a problem that seemed like it would require an X-ray, don't even bother coming to see him because there was nothing he could do but refer me to another place. But anyways, if you get referred to an OPC or VAMC from a doctor at a CBOC, you have to wait like 3 days - 2 weeks in order for a scheduler to get in touch with you to schedule an appointment. Then, your appointment is very likely going to be another 2 weeks - 6 months away, which is again going to likely cause people to roll the dice and try their luck at a local hospital where the VA, again, will likely try to pin the vet with the bill.

Earlier this year, I got pinned with a bill for just under $5,000 for a visit to a local hospital's ER because I couldn't drive the 2 hours to the closest VAMC to go to their emergency room. And a kind of funny, but rage inducing conclusion just happened with that bill a couple of weeks ago. I got a followup letter from the VA saying that they paid a $5 administration fee to the hospital on my behalf in regards to that bill. All I could do was shake my head.
 

Culex

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Yeah I'm going to need some clarification on this. I've (perhaps wrongly?) always assumed that vets had lifetime care at the VA, entirely on government money with no co-pays or anything. The issue has been for some time that care in the VA system is occasionally garbage vs some private hospitals, but, like, I thought they were promised at least some level of care regardless.

I'll also add to this. The care I have had is great. The most I have ever paid is a 15 dollar copay for specialist care.

The issue is availability. This isn't like going to the ER. Unless your VA location has an ER, you are at the mercy still with your local services. Walk in clinics, you will pay. I had to get X-rays recently but there were no VA approved locations nearby so I had to cough up the money.
 

Toth

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Trump attacking another woman of color I see...

Also, he tweets "Keep America Great" and then, literally, one minute later, "Make America Great Again." Dementia is accelerating rapidly....
 

Ithil

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Smart people not only do not need to be told they are smart, they definitely do not need to assure others of it.
 
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I'm a vet that used VA health care as my primary means of health care for a couple of years, so I'll try to give some clarification. And I apologize ahead of time for the egregious use of acronyms.

VA health care isn't necessarily free. When you first apply for it, you get assigned to different priority groups based on service-connected injuries / disabilities, income and whether or not you're a combat vet. Most priority groups lead to a vet being able to get free health care within the VA system, but a few of the lower priority groups lead to vets having to pay copayments.

The main issue with the VA is the number of facilities (that can actually care for someone) and wait times. So there's like 3 level of health care facility in the VA. You have CBOCs (Community-Based Outpatient Clinics) at the lowest level, OPC (Outpatient Clinics) in the middle and VAMC (VA Medical Centers) at the top. CBOCs are literally just clinics where you can go see a doctor if you're in pain, sick or for like a yearly physical. OPCs are more like a normal hospital and they can do stuff like X-rays or more involved testing, plus they have some specialists in-house, but they don't have emergency rooms or urgent care (at least none of the ones around me do). VAMCs are like medical complexes. These are where the VA emergency rooms are and these are the places where stuff like surgeries happen.

There are more CBOCs than OPCs or VAMCs. There are more OPCs than VAMCs and most states only have like 1 or 2 VAMCs. This means that if you have an emergency and you want to make use of that free healthcare by going to a VA emergency room, you have to go to a VAMC, which for a lot of people will be too far away. This leads to people going to local hospital emergency rooms. The VA is supposed to cover the costs of a visit to a local emergency room, so long as you meet their criteria, but even if you do meet the criteria, they will more often than not try to pin you with the bill.

Doctors in the CBOCs can only really refer you to an OPC or VAMC if you have something requiring X-rays, specialists or anything more involved than checking your ears or drawing blood. I used to go to a CBOC and the first time I met my doctor, the first thing he told me was that if I ever had a problem that seemed like it would require an X-ray, don't even bother coming to see him because there was nothing he could do but refer me to another place. But anyways, if you get referred to an OPC or VAMC from a doctor at a CBOC, you have to wait like 3 days - 2 weeks in order for a scheduler to get in touch with you to schedule an appointment. Then, your appointment is very likely going to be another 2 weeks - 6 months away, which is again going to likely cause people to roll the dice and try their luck at a local hospital where the VA, again, will likely try to pin the vet with the bill.

Earlier this year, I got pinned with a bill for just under $5,000 for a visit to a local hospital's ER because I couldn't drive the 2 hours to the closest VAMC to go to their emergency room. And a kind of funny, but rage inducing conclusion just happened with that bill a couple of weeks ago. I got a followup letter from the VA saying that they paid a $5 administration fee to the hospital on my behalf in regards to that bill. All I could do was shake my head.
Thank you for sharing this. One of the biggest problems people have with healthcare systems (free, partly subsidized, or whatever) is navigating through them. For people who can't trek through those themselves, having an advocate who can do so persistently on your behalf is essential. So many people don't have this resource and end up waiting far too long for care or just not getting it. It happens with VA programs and state exchanges (some of which had advocate resources at launch) and is likely coming soon to your favorite M4A program unless this gets addressed.
 

Madison

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The "make sure kids hear words" clip makes me feel genuinely uncomfortable. I will literally take anyone else as the nominee, I dont want to see Biden ramble like that while Trump mocks him, it just sounds like a disaster waiting to happen
 

LegendofJoe

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The Indian Health Service has similar problems to the VA. It's decent when funds are available and if you live near a big reservation with adequate facilities. If you don't live near a big reservation or you need care later in the year (when money has run out) you are in trouble.
 

Amibguous Cad

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I'm dying at the vaping thing. Someone must have pulled him aside and told him that som mainstream vaping products are owned by big tobacco corporations and that he probably does still want their money. The linked article says the plan is to allegedly keep vaping products that taste like tobacco legal, which is just... why? I don't disagree, but it still sounds extremely silly. It's almost as if tobacco products should be more heavily regulated in all forms or something, if by law they have to taste like death.

I can see the reasoning behind this. Vapes that actually taste good attract an audience beyond what normal smokers do and are plausibly more aimed at children than regular cigarettes. The people who like that stuff are disproportionately non-smokers, the people you don't want taking up vaping. But tobacco-flavored vapes are overwhelmingly used by smokers who are trying to quit or curtail their tobacco usage, the group that we really want to take up vaping.
 
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