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US PoliEra 2019 |OT7| It's happening
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PoliERA, sounds reasonable. Not buying it with OT. A sizable portion there hate Democrats more than Republicans.
Nadler said yesterday that they're opening the inquiry next week I believe. The messaging is still fucked, but whatever. Full steam ahead.
are we still doing the meta complaining about OT users? I thought that wasnt allowed.
I just listened to that "record player" answer linked here. He seemed to be referring to ESL kids being helped by playing the record player at night (how quaint) so they hear a lot more English words.
I looked that up last night because it didn't sound right. From what I could gather, it was communist until 1981, when it was pivoting to socialism. Her parents immigrated to the US in 1984, so it's questionable whether the incident she was talking about happened during socialism. Then it seems to have gone more into crony capitalism from about 1989. That was just from a quick look though. I wonder too with her being a Republican whether her parents would even be able to immigrate here under current GOP policies.
I really wish Biden would just recognize how bad he is for the moment, for a multitude of reasons, drop out and endorse Beto or Kamala. Same as Bernie needs to just drop and endorse Warren. But if I've learned one thing from this primary, it's that nobody is going to drop until it's 110% obvious that they 100% don't have a chance.
He wasn't ready for it and Chappaquiddick was still relatively fresh in the news (which sounds quaint to the point of nonsense by modern news cycle standards lol). Of course, he wasn't quite ready in '80 either...
Style over substance - she's only slightly to the right of Bernie, but more eloquent in expressing how radical her reforms would be and more invested in building relationships with the party. Also has a plan for literally everything.
She's Clinton without the baggage and the same policy views as Sanders.
Except that he would be 80 the year he's inaugurated and looked every bit of 78 last night.
Not sure that Chappaquiddick is 'quaint' by today's standards. He'd have been toast had he run in 76. It really helped sink him in 80.
And frankly, it should have.
Well, I think he was ready in 1980 but challenging a sitting President of the same party was too disruptive and it tore the party apart. It obviously also turned voters off, given Reagan's ridiculously huge victory.
I meant quaint as in a scandal that was about 7-8 years old was still fresh enough to hurt him, when the media churns through and forgets scandals on a weekly basis now.
He was asked point blank why he was running for president and he couldn't answer. tbh he might never have actually wanted to be president at all and just ran out of obligation.
Unless it's Benghazi and emails emails emails
If Hillary won two terms they'd be talking about it even during her last year as President. No doubt in my mind.
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But it's such a massive 'scandal'. A woman died, and Kennedy got away with the lightest of punishments for the thing we factually know he did (leaving her to drown and not reporting it until the morning). I don't think the media would have forgotten something like that in a few weeks even today.
The black people = poor thing is horrendous and keeps happening. The pivot from a question about reparations to saying 'parents don't know how to raise their children' has some awful implications.
But...
Hearing him talk about leaving the radio on at night or listening to records. That sort of scares me just as much. Not because he's OLD. Because he is so catastrophically out of touch.
Both are why it makes no sense why he was receiving positive coverage last night. It was sometimes difficult to understand what point he was trying to make.
I have accepted that I will never, ever, have the luxury of being as hands off about politics as I was when Obama was President ever again for the rest of my life.
I have come to terms with that. These forces will never go away. They will never stop trying to make things as good as possible for themselves at the expense of everyone else.
You shouldn't have been hands off during Obama. That was the problem. People took 8 years off and the gop gobbled up everything except the presidency. Then they got that too.
This is a good primer by Wright on the "progressive foreign policy" as articulated by Bernie and Warren, and some of the challenges the theoretical ideas of a Bernie or Warren doctrine would inevitably face in the real world.
This times 1000
No more easy living for Americans. We are going to have to fight tooth and nail daily and still know in the back of our minds that we may only achieve a fraction of what a just and fair American society should be
We have no choice and could still fail in various ways regardless of effort
Im doubling down anyways and doing everything in my power to stay informed and never miss a vote
People trying to slant the system to benefit themselves at everyone else's expense have existed since the dawn of civilization. The fight will never end, but it's always worth fighting.
Good, however I still don't understand how any judge doesn't view blatant profiting from the Office as an emoluments violation.
Just a reminder that we had 34% turnout in 2014 and lost three very winnable Senate seats (AK, CO and NC were all within a few points).
Had Democrats turned up in decent numbers and held those seats, we would have won the Senate in 2016 even if Trump still won, and thus been able to block his court nominations. Obama could have pushed Garland through during the lame duck and flipped the balance of the Supreme Court.
Same with the close Senate races in 2016 (NC, PA, WI, MO). Any liberal who just didn't want to vote for Clinton, maaaan and then proceeded not to vote at all, or didn't vote in the midterms is way higher on my shit list than any Stein or Bernie write-in voter. Downballot matters.
My take: Warren was disappointing. She is definitely benefiting from nobody going after her at this point. The fact that all of Biden's best moments were when he attacked her speaks to my fear of her not knowing what to do when she's the target.
Harris had a good debate. It wasn't her first debate, but it ALSO wasn't her second. She did what she needed to do.
But HOLY HELL none of this matters because Biden's answer to the slavery question is drowning everything out.
Harris had a good debate. It wasn't her first debate, but it ALSO wasn't her second. She did what she needed to do.
But HOLY HELL none of this matters because Biden's answer to the slavery question is drowning everything out.
Mission accomplished for Moscow Mitch, then.
He'll eat shit every day if this is his only major accomplishment.
Harris had a terrible debate. She went from attack dog to milquetoast in one debate. It's a terrible strategy and as a result she's not going to gain any significant ground. She's better being tough and confrontational, but apparently the electorate doesn't like that look very much.
This is mostly a PR article for Old Navy, but one line struck me hard. If you don't think we're in a recession or heading towards one very soon, you're not paying attention.
She came off like a centrist borefest with no convictions. When confronted about her record on criminal justice, she basically yelled Fake News and said a bunch of words. She had an awful night. She is done.
Oh, and the jokes and then laughing at your own jokes. Was she drunk last night?
Retail is dying, but that's not due to any economic downturn. People just aren't buying shit at stores anymore. We need to accept Trump is going into reelection with sub-4% unemployment and a strong consumer.
I think Warren can course correct. Biden ain't a chump like Delaney was, but I do think her team can get her ready by October. But she did fine enough for it not to affect her polling.
Harris did well, but she's got some huddles to hop over in terms of public perception. Mysogynoir is going to be a constant problem for her.
As expected, but made worse due to the Copmala stuff. She hasn't shaken that off yet. Not sure she ever will at this rate.
And that moderator sent a Tulsi dagger at her, which I didn't expect.
Biden though, it's about time he gets taken to task. He has had three debates. Each of them he has either not been great or had some massive fuck up. I hope that slavery comment is the last straw, but it likely won't. He is out of touch.
Yeah, all historical indicators have him cruising to re-election.
If he were even semi-competent, this would be true. It appears Independents have come around to the sobering fact that he's scary and shouldn't be trusted, and I think that will ultimately sink him. If anything does.
You're right that retail is dying, but the pace accelerating so much stood out to me. It's just one of many red flags.
That Kamala got that question while Klobuchar (you know, the other prosecutor on stage) was given softballs is total bullshit. I said it in the Debate thread, at this point people are expecting Kamala to apologize for a system that guys like Biden and Bernie ushered in before she was ever a public servant. But hey, it is what it is.
But Biden, my God. I put it this way: Biden is of a generation of politician where the best Black people could expect was that you not be actively racist.
Fucking exactly. George W. Bush and Mitch McConnell were/are just as bad as Trump. I would argue they were/are even worse (largely on account of being more effective at wielding power than Trump). Trump is just louder and more upfront with his villainy.
IIRC, the 2014 Midterm turnout for voters under 35 was one of the most pathetic stats I've ever seen. I want to say it was around 11% but I'm not even sure it broke double digits. I was fucking fuming at everyone my age for weeks after that election.
Then there was the the insufferable media, with wall-to-wall coverage of "EBOLA AND ISIS BOTH COMING TO INVADE AMERICA! THANKS, OBAMA." Coverage which stopped almost literally overnight after election day.
That election just pissed me off so fucking much. Udall in CO hurt especially, because him and Wyden teamed up for a lot of good shit on technology and privacy/NSA issues.
2010 was the first election I was eligible for, and that one sucked too, but at least I could feel good about my vote helping Donnelly narrowly keep his House seat that year. In 2014, 70% of the positions on the ballot were uncontested Republicans, and the few Democrats that were on the ballot all lost.
Maybe, a few traditional early signs of recession have been flashing lately. Of course, it'll probably hit when he's just out of office and the Democrat comes in: i.e the standard American political cycle.
Castro and beto did alright yesterday, any of them would likely be ok VP picks
No way they are going to ever poll at double digits tho
No way they are going to ever poll at double digits tho
I was in college during the 2014 elections and lived in a house with six other people. I was the only one who voted that year.
My girlfriend, a public school teacher, did not vote (to her credit, she tried to, but couldn't make it to the polls in time). My sister, a social worker, did not vote - she said she was going to, but then when she found out the president wasn't on the ballot, she stopped caring. Two of my roommates were in the theatre program with me, where it was constantly drilled into our heads that Republicans in the legislature were trying to slash our program's funding, and that it was imperative this didn't happen (we had already lost several federally-funded programs due to the sequester). Neither of them voted. Three of those four liked Obama and supported him. The other one was mostly apolitical and just knew that her family didn't like Obama, so she didn't either - she also didn't vote in 2016 and immediately freaked out about the possibility of her fiance (in the military) being sent to war in Iran. I'm pretty sure she didn't vote in 2018 either!
It's just like, Jesus Christ, what can you even do at that point? Why was it ever allowed to get this bad? People treated voting for fucking American Idol more seriously than politics.
Me on the other hand:
I have always been the weird one who "cares too much" about politics.
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That question was really something else, and it's beyond frustrating that eight months into this campaign -- and after being gummed up by the exact same kind of questioning in the last debate -- Kamala has still not been able to vocalize a strong and concise enough response to questions about her prosecutor record. It would be one thing if she did and the media just brushed it off to keep asking about it, like with Hillary's emails, but I truly don't get why her campaign hasn't been able to settle on something concrete for this. It's not like she's in danger of losing frontrunner status by rocking the boat too much here.
It's hardly equivalent. Klobuchar was a county attorney, Kamala was the attorney general of California (which we're often reminded is the second largest Department of Justice next to the United States Department of Justice!). Kamala has staked a lot of her campaign on her background as a prosecutor (naturally, it's taken up a far larger share of her life in public service than being Hennepin County attorney has for Klobuchar), knowing how to move the levers of power and change based on her experience being on the inside of that system. That is not the cornerstone of Klobuchar's campaign. This is also basically a three- our four-person race, and Klobuchar is not one of those three or four anyway.
Fucker probably never even bought a light bulb himself before, better yet actually put one in.
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