The backbone of the Democratic Party, old black women, are going to love Pete once they get to know him
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I think Harris against not-Mother Pence would be pretty effective and amusing, but she kind of would be wasted as a VP.
Kopmala is young enough to try again probably. So is Gillary.
This will not be Buttigieg's last Presidential run I assume.
This will not be Buttigieg's last Presidential run I assume.
The backbone of the Democratic Party, old black women, are going to love Pete once they get to know him
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I mean, if Sanders is at the top of the ticket is anyone who would tell you that they're really concerned about "reforming society into something more equitable" going to think "well maybe he's not that serious since he picked someone more moderate as VP"? That's his whole thing. And Warren's, although I can at least imagine some Sanders dead-enders basically thinking that anyone other than Sanders is inherently not serious. But 2016 is pretty good evidence that there aren't many of these people, and you have to figure there will be even fewer protest (non)votes this time.
Fuck you O'Donnell, you stupid motherfucker. Can you imagine the headlines if this ever goes to trial? Fuck.
At least no other outlet ran with it as far as I know so the damage is hopefully contained.
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Do you disbelieve the claim? I'm sure Donald Trump not only has Russian oligarch's co-signing loans for him, they're directly lending him money, legally and illegally. O'Donnell broke a story prematurely and without corroboration, but I think that information will eventually be revealed in one of the many investigations into Trump's finances. Maybe as a result of Trump suing for defamation, which is a thing he would actually do if he were innocent. Any day now.
O'Donnell retracted the claim on air. I can easily believe Trump's been involved in illegality (and money laundering) for decades, but breaking a story with no evidence and that no major news org has picked up while relying on a single source is terrible, shitty journalism and he deserves the blowback. It doesn't matter how much I want to believe it.
Luckily, unlike the BuzzFeed fuck-up most people have learned to wait for confirmation from elsewhere.
Thank you. Yeah that's basically my point.
With Mayor Pete it's like, "Oh with his 0%, he's got serious problems with black voters! He got no pathway to the nomination!"
But with Warren, it's like "Oh her 1-2% with black voters, don't worry about it, they'll just automatically fall in line after Iowa. Look at Obama!"
Nevermind that Warren isn't a historic black Presidential candidate and the circumstances are completely different. Let's just pretend Warren doesn't need to do anything to earn black voters, and they'll just flock to her after Iowa.
I think some of you need a reminder that black turnout was down in 2016 (lowest since 2000). Black voters don't just automatically follow whoever wins Iowa and becomes the nominee.
Don't worry, there's still a few of us riding on Team Kamala. I agree she's officially lost her frontrunner status since I don't think she's polling in double digits in any major poll in the past month. Her overall chances have definitely gone down, but she's still a dark horse candidate. She just needs Biden to stumble because I think there's quite a bit of overlap in their constituency, which is why when she had her debate bump, she went up and he immediately went down. And once Biden recovered, his poll numbers went back up and hers went back down to earth. I see Kamala and Biden occupying the same lane, but it's just Biden is dominating it so much right now. She won't get any oxygen unless Biden has another "My time is up." moment.
And yeah, Kamala may not be as good as a debater as Biden in his prime, but Prime Biden is long gone. I think right now Kamala is probably best equipped to take on Trump both in the debates and on the stump. I think she's a very strong GE candidate if she could actually make it. Harris is an alpha-dog, so you lose a lot of the benefits if she were the VP. Someone like Beta Dog Beto would be a perfect VP with his nice-guy persona.
That said I'd take Kamala as VP in a heartbeat over Stacey Abrams who's completely unqualified to be President.
Harris support overlaps with Warren's not Biden's.
Depending upon which poll one looks at if he were to drop out his voters would flow to Sanders and Warren, or into undecided.
Depending upon which poll one looks at if he were to drop out his voters would flow to Sanders and Warren, or into undecided.
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Nothing, I was comparing the O'Donnell mess to their suborning perjury story
This seems different than usual. It strikes me as subtle acknowledge of his growing self awareness that his recorded accomplishments don't amount to much or have otherwise been not well received, as well as a tell to his fear that his tenure may be coming to an end.
Most people who are skeptical of Mayor Pete's electability with Black voters versus Warren's stems from things like this, back in June:
The Economic has the best interactive crosstabs.
It breaks down race with education.
She needs to grow support among black and Hispanic non-college educated voters.
She actually does well with white non college educated and wins among college educated poc.
Her age/gender support is pretty across the board. While Sanders and Biden are opposing ladders when it comes to age.
It breaks down race with education.
She needs to grow support among black and Hispanic non-college educated voters.
She actually does well with white non college educated and wins among college educated poc.
Her age/gender support is pretty across the board. While Sanders and Biden are opposing ladders when it comes to age.
It is very, very difficult for a public figure to win a defamation case. Trump's team would have to prove O'Donnell acted with "actual malice" -- in other words, that he acted "with knowledge that it was false or with reckless disregard of whether [the statement] was false or not."
Oh, it won't be to run for office. It'll be for $omething el$e.
It's like folks believe politics began in 2008 out here.
John Kerry steamrolled with black support after Iowa and New Hampshire. There is an argument to be made that winning and strength consolidate demographic groups. Losing Iowa and New Hampshire certainly isn't going to increase Biden's support if his whole argument dissolves.
Also it is kind of insulting to suggest Warren isn't doing anything to earn black voter support. She's been working her ass off anywhere she can, and has presented great ideas to help POC from remedies for redlining, disparities in sentencing, reparations, pay disparities for WOC, investing heavily in HBCUs, Grants ( not loans) for helping black entrapenuers, fighting back on racist voter suppression with her massive election reform plans. I mean it's a demonstrably false idea. She is always very well received by POC, like at essencefest, rainbow push, etc. While I know these events aren't the whole community, its just an example that she is everywhere she can to reach out and form coalitions and convince activist POC that she is on their side and will fight to help make their lives better. She has put in place the policies that would make her most likely to gain a share of this block of voters IMO.
You can argue that POC don't want what she is selling, but to suggest she isn't doing anything to earn their support is willfully disingenuous.
What is Biden doing? He just won the Obama lottery.
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Well John Kerry did lose South Carolina, so I wouldn't necessarily say he "steamrolled" with black support after Iowa and New Hampshire...
Yeah because of John Edwards. He ended up winning more than half the black vote nationally. It's a steamroll 10-4 beep beep
I don't get why it says I was quoted.
Anyway, based on historical exits Kerry (34%) ran roughly even with black voters with Edwards (37%), with a sizable portion going to Al Sharpton (17%).
Other state exits are in this article about how the black vote coalesced around Kerry.
Before Iowa he was in the mid/high single digits nationally.
Anyway, based on historical exits Kerry (34%) ran roughly even with black voters with Edwards (37%), with a sizable portion going to Al Sharpton (17%).
Other state exits are in this article about how the black vote coalesced around Kerry.
Before Iowa he was in the mid/high single digits nationally.
In recent favorability polling, Warren has dramatically increased her perception with black voters. There's been some where she's higher than Biden. Combine that with her actually having a pulse with Hispanics and doing better than you would expect with non-college educated whites.
Pete does horrible with everyone but college educated whites in national polling.
Pete does horrible with everyone but college educated whites in national polling.
The argument you guys are making for Warren, almost the exact same thing could be said if Mayor Booty wins Iowa and NH. Yet you guys treat it as a night and day difference between Warren and Booty rather than a marginal one.
Also black voters vote 75-90% Democratic so almost every eventual nominee is going to see increased black support at the end of the process compared to the beginning.
But I'll repeat it again, 2016 had the lowest black turnout since 2000. You guys are taking the attitude of, "Oh blacks will just fall in line after Iowa". I'm saying I would be a little more concerned about Warren's relatively poor black support so far because it could affect her ability to fully mobilize the black vote, which goes to her electability issue.
If you believe Buttigieg is disqualified because of the lack of black support, then you have to be consistent and admit Warren has a lot of work to do as well instead of just hand waving it away.
Also black voters vote 75-90% Democratic so almost every eventual nominee is going to see increased black support at the end of the process compared to the beginning.
But I'll repeat it again, 2016 had the lowest black turnout since 2000. You guys are taking the attitude of, "Oh blacks will just fall in line after Iowa". I'm saying I would be a little more concerned about Warren's relatively poor black support so far because it could affect her ability to fully mobilize the black vote, which goes to her electability issue.
If you believe Buttigieg is disqualified because of the lack of black support, then you have to be consistent and admit Warren has a lot of work to do as well instead of just hand waving it away.
I think if Bootyjudge manages to win Iowa then the dynamics of the race change a lot.
I don't think he will win Iowa though.
Everyone has relatively poor black support so far except Joe Biden.
And no one really thinks Joe Biden's black support is actual enthusiasm.
So basically, Trump will win.
I don't think he will win Iowa though.
Everyone has relatively poor black support so far except Joe Biden.
And no one really thinks Joe Biden's black support is actual enthusiasm.
So basically, Trump will win.
Seeing Trump recycle "Crazy" as a nickname makes me want to revive my "Lazy Donald" crusade.
Would drive him nuts. It's so fetch.
Would drive him nuts. It's so fetch.
It's like... KLOBUCHAR managed to make it Tulsi it can't be that hard to understand
Everyone must bow and kiss the ring.
The media is just jesters in the Trump court making sure to keep him entertained as to not lose their heads.
Why are they doing this when even the oil companies are like 'what the fuck? that's rolling regulations back far too much,'?
He really is a Captain Planet villain.
My guess is because Obama. Even policies these companies are okay with that Obama put in place are being stripped away at this pointx
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