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US PoliERA 2019 |OT4| Folded like a DOG
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I'm not too concerned about the polling right now. That the majority of Americans already believe that Trump has committed crimes tells me that those numbers can be changed if a case is made. Democratic leadership doesn't even want to make the case. This is like playing a game of Mario Kart and throwing down the controller before the light hits green.
And we already saw something like this with Kavanaugh. Even though we KNEW it was pointless, even though we knew he would be seated, Democrats were unified and loud AF. We FORCED people to watch Republicans give that man an undeserved seat, and then we watched that fire up voters for 2018.
This...fires nobody up.
Yep, millennial voter turnout was at a record high during the 2018 midterms; midterms are known for having a depressingly low turnout.
I expect the high voter turnout for the 18-35 age demographic to continue, especially when Gen Z is eligible to vote.
I think the point here is that there is no guarantee of any outcome, or even a strong indicator either way. We're in uncharted territory.
With that in mind, I think it's best to do the Right Thing and fight for the rule of law, rather than cower in fear and pray for things to go well.
Meuller said nothing new today and yet it has people's heads in a tizzy. LOTS of people across the country haven't read and won't read the Meuller report. Video of him just repeating what's already in the report is likely to be very powerful.
They just barely won the presidency because of some fuckery in Florida?
Yep. Mueller literally only said stuff that was already detailed in the report and you've got media heads across the networks with their heads exploding with the "new damning statements by the special counsel"
This is a great point and one that I hadn't really given much thought to until I read it.
Regarding the impeachment polling, I'd like to see some polling that highlights the difference between him being put on trial vs. him being removed from office, ask bothe questions and see if there's any difference in the #s.
I think I want a poll with data on what ppl think if dems don't impeach.
And then we lost Senate seats and made our task next year - regaining the Senate and fixing the Court - that much harder.
Joe Manchin only won and let us cling to a 53-47 minority because he voted for Kavanaugh.
Either McCaskill or Donnelly might've been saved by voting for Kavanaugh. (Heitkamp was always doomed; state too red and hole too deep.)
That's not exactly the best example to prove that doing the right thing always, unequivocally yields positive outcomes. Yes, it helped us in blue and purple districts and states but doomed us elsewhere. I actually think impeachment is a different matter because the presidential election (and next year's Senate map) will be decided in purple states, not in North Dakota. But those House districts that we just won, many for the first time ever? I understand why Pelosi's concerned.
So you don't think Mueller testifying, which he literally hasn't had to do whatsoever in this context, would produce any meaningful answers in hours of testimony. Ok.
Biden putting out a better statement than Pelosi is hilarious
Even if it still sucks it's way more than I expected from him
Even if it still sucks it's way more than I expected from him
She'll just keep saying that because it's as good as saying nothing
Hmm, but where are the results of sending bills to die in the Republican controlled Senate anyway?
I think it's time to listen to your constituents
It's been nearly 2.5 years.
From the start, Democrats have failed to educate the public about GOP nonsense and Trump's crimes.
They put all their eggs into the Mueller basket, which was a mistake from day 1. They have failed countless times to hold the GOP's feet to the fire regarding Trump's many crimes (and the GOP's own crimes) because bipartisanship or some other such nonsense.
See also: shutdown where it was Pelosi/Schumer vs Trump instead of it being the rule of law and sensibility vs McConnell and all the other pieces of GOP shit in the Senate covering for Trump.
Thank you.
That all Dems are not out beating the drum for accountability all day every day is shameful.
McCaskill and Doninelly were goners well before that vote, and the same polling people are asking for showed that.
On top of not doing anything about impeachment, we'e really not seeing much noise from Democrats on the other side either, about securing the 2020 election, about retribution for Russian interference in 2016. They should be pounding that drum every day as well.
Because right now Barr and the Republicans are saying they are fine with Russian (and Chinese, and anybody else willing to pay) interference moving forward, and it appears that nobody is willing to stop them or really even try.
Instead, we get stuff like the House and Senate voting to end military assistance to Saudi Arabia, and the president moving to sell them $8 billion in arms anyway.
Because right now Barr and the Republicans are saying they are fine with Russian (and Chinese, and anybody else willing to pay) interference moving forward, and it appears that nobody is willing to stop them or really even try.
Instead, we get stuff like the House and Senate voting to end military assistance to Saudi Arabia, and the president moving to sell them $8 billion in arms anyway.
I liked last week, when impeachment seemed imminent, better than this week, where it seems unlikely.
It shouldn't surprise me, but how the hell does he not get jail time? Does the DA always let people off with four years probation for making a false report?
Might as well just say women are not citizens, funny enough that's how Scalia said similarly during PP vs Casey
I feel like there has to be something going on in the background that she knows about that isn't ready to go public yet.
2.5 years in, Biden still hopeful for that Trump pivot.
Any day now...
Welp... It was nice to dream.
Guess she's just going to make a political calculus and let him get away with a crime.
Oh well. Mueller did everything but spell out that the Dems should do something. Wasn't enough.
I highly doubt Pelosi actually thinks McConnell would ever take up impeachment proceedings. Hopefully she is setting the stage to argue she started impeachment when it was ironclad and the Republicans still refused to budge inspite
Of the evidence.
lol Senate republicans chose party over country years ago. Even I know she's not that delusional. She just doesn't want to impeach.
He was never going to face any consequences until he lost an election. She's not "letting him get away" with anything.
If they can't even convince the public, the Republicans aren't going to give a shit. The public needs this shit rubbed in their faces until even the dimmest of dim manage to pick up on some of the incriminating details as they remain disengaged and try to just focus on the next episodes of their favourite shows. People are lazy shits who have no interest in paying attention to politics and what's actually going on outside what directly impacts them. This stuff needs to be blasted so constantly and so loudly that they pick it up via osmosis.
I don't see how that could possibly be done without the circus of impeachment proceedings causing people to actually look up.
The amount of "concerns" shown by party leadership would make Susan Collins blush at this point.
Of course she is. She's not initiating the proceedings.
I don't care what the outcome will be. She's tacitly condoning his behavior.
Yep. I don't have much faith in voters consistently punishing Republicans. They like the topsy turvy world of politics even when it harms them.
They don't wanna think about the consequences until it's too late and even then, they'll just go "duh bipartisan hur dur."
"We're not going to impeach unless the Republican Senate will vote to remove. There's no point to getting something through the House that will never be considered by the Senate. Also, and on a totally unrelated note, please give us credit for all these bills we passed through the House that Mitch McConnell has vowed to ignore!"
#ForthePeople
(Except no one cares since Turtle will block everything)
By not even pursuing impeachment, Nancy Pelosi is letting him get away with it. The end result does not matter to culpability.
Heck, even if the reality were, "There is clear evidence for impeachment even at this stage, but I hesitate because Republicans in the Senate have demonstrated that, regardless of how strong the evidence is, they will not move against a President of their party," that would be one thing. But she's not even willing to publicly make THAT case. Which makes it all the more damning, because not only are we letting Trump get away with it, we not taking Republicans to task for their clear obstruction. We're contributing to them painting their actions as fair by seeking their approval for us to do our jobs.
If you hadn't noticed, she trolls Trump a lot. She knows that the "infrastructure week" meme bothers him, so she's continuing to turn the screws there.
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