He needs to be able to justify the emergency to call it at this point. They'd have to undo the '76 law.
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US PoliERA 2019 |OT2| #PresidentPelosi
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In a legal sense though, what does it mean to "justify" the emergency? Isn't the pessimistic outlook that, from the perspective of the '76 law, if the President says something is an emergency then it is?
I seriously worry that a conservative judge says, if the president says there is an emergency, then it doesn't matter, the president said it.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/07/us/politics/trump-national-emergency.html?module=inline
Yeah I saw the OT thread and posted in it. Would not be surprised if in a couple years they find out we were already in a recession at this point.
Unrelatedly, in case anyone is wondering why Markey voted no even though he isn't running, it's probably because he is worried about a primary challenge from the left. With him helming the Green New Deal with AOC, I don't think any such challenger would have much of a chance, but I think he's hedging his bets here, especially since Capuano got shitcanned by Ayanna here last year. Personally, I think he's done a fine job and there are other fish to fry in MA. Lynch needs a better primary challenger than Brianna Wu. And, of course, Seth Moulton, who didn't even have a primary OR general challenger.
I'm not actually sure, but I do know that Congress can for sure deny him.
They can try to override the emergency, then Trump would veto it, and then they'd have to override the veto iirc
I would imagine it would get hold up in eminent domain lawsuits. I don't know how much power the lawsuits can influence the national emergency order though. Regardless, it might take years to resolve them.
There are still eminent domain lawsuits from the Bush years.
Plus, the bill restricting where anything can actually be built will greatly complicate matters.
Plus, the bill restricting where anything can actually be built will greatly complicate matters.
I think Roberts cares too much about legacy for that. This would be opening a huge door that could easily lead horrible places.
Woo! We getting free health care, banning guns and cars, executing anyone worth more than $10 million, and making aborted fetal tissue the national meat!
"We need a real progressive Speaker of the House, like Barbara Lee, and then we need to elect Bernie Sanders or Tulsi Gabbard"
Lee: Pelosi for Speaker, also Harris for President
That's why I was thinking it's not up to the courts, because if Congress thinks it's an actual abuse of power then they have the remedy of revoking the emergency, repealing the law, or impeachment. What the supreme Court could do is decide that Congress had illegally delegated too much of its authority to the president, but I'm pretty sure Congress is given a lot of leeway to do that via the legislative process. The thing suing might do is tie things up indefinitely.
Anyway, the best chance is if the emergency is revoked in Congress.
Anyway, the best chance is if the emergency is revoked in Congress.
I think it's a simple majority. If the law could be veto'd, what would be the point of it? It's not a law they would pass so much as a vote under standing law.
You might be confused. It requires only a simple majority in both chambers, no Senate supermajority. He can still veto.
EDIT: B10
A lot of media seem to be running with "obese" being the takeaway from the medical exam, or at the very least including it in the headline.
Luckily Trump has great blood pressure apparently so he won't get angry and/or die of embarrassment.
Luckily Trump has great blood pressure apparently so he won't get angry and/or die of embarrassment.
Mayor Pete was fantastic on Morning Joe today. He'll be on Colbert tonight too. Based on the debate criteria released he should make it, which will be pretty cool.
I said it a while ago, but I really think Buttigieg would compliment Harris as her VP quite well. I think that ticket would have a lot of appeal while being firmly in the left side of the party.
But yeah, some of Harris's past gives me a lot of unease. Some of that shit is pretty hard to reconcile with.
As someone pretty firmly in the Left camp, Harris is probably my preference among the more likely/"establishment" candidates. Not my first choice overall (probably Sanders or Warren), but I'm not gonna be that upset if she wins. Much, much better than Gillibrand or Klobuchar or Booker (fuck that guy in particular).
I said it a while ago, but I really think Buttigieg would compliment Harris as her VP quite well. I think that ticket would have a lot of appeal while being firmly in the left side of the party.
But yeah, some of Harris's past gives me a lot of unease. Some of that shit is pretty hard to reconcile with.
Why the fuck would that be in a law about overriding presidential authority?
*checks the current make up of congress. 50 Cent driving away laughing with Turtle in the backseat.gif*
I mean, there's actually a very high chance that the nullification passes the Senate because Turtle can't block it and it only needs 51 votes - 4 GOP senators breaking ranks. And I think some will break ranks considering this action has 33% approval.
He'll veto, but the message will be pretty clear.
Piece of legislation can't override the constitution. Executive can veto legislative bills as per the constitution.
This is exactly what I expect them to say
And then say the complete opposite when a democrat does it
If only my vote counted in the general I'd vote Warrren. I just don't trust her with campaign management and as a figurehead.
I hear that, for sure. I just feel like she's got the best policies in her campaign and the actual experience to back them up.
At this point since there is no way 2/3 of congress will override the president, the only hope are the courts, right? Eminent domain, and maybe funding sources to be challenged. And likely at best it delays major building action up front?
Would the 3rd Amendment come into play? Assuming the military are doing the actual construction and land owners object to the military on their property? I guess that is only a possibility if the admin tries to construct walls in areas they don't own or wait for eminent domain rulings.
Would the 3rd Amendment come into play? Assuming the military are doing the actual construction and land owners object to the military on their property? I guess that is only a possibility if the admin tries to construct walls in areas they don't own or wait for eminent domain rulings.
The idea was probably that if the president started doing this wildly illegal and dictatorish, that congress would act accordingly and there wouldn't be any worry about a veto override, it would be implied.
I think maybe we should just wait until a court actually says something or Congress actually votes.
Pretty OT but I wonder who this is so I can laugh at them:
https://blindgossip.com/real-estate-deal-of-the-day/
https://blindgossip.com/real-estate-deal-of-the-day/
I agree on Buttigieg. If Beto ends up running for senate, I think Buttigieg would be a great choice as VP. His interviews have been super impressive thus far. He easily juggles situations like The View and GMA where three or four hosts are all lobbing questions at him. Setting aside policy for a second, He and Harris seem the most well-prepared of all the candidates in terms of having answers ready, not being taken by surprise with any questions, etc etc.
I don't know, I think 2/3 is doable in this case. Trump doesn't think there will be a post-Trump world, but the rest of the GOP might realize this is a Pandora's Box that isn't worth opening.
There are plenty of people with great policies. But running for high office means also being great at politics and campaigning. Hillary was great on policy, but her likeability was in the toilet, and she was terrible at responding to attacks coming from her right (Trump) and her left (Sanders).
No argument from me that Warren knows what she's doing in the policy arena, but the unforced errors surrounding the native american thing that just KEEP coming up that Warren has no response for do not give me any faith at all that she has any clue what she's doing in a major campaign.
I don't trust Warren in the general and I think she has a really low EC ceiling
Maybe Romney and a few other Republicans.. we aren't getting to 67. Even if we got close McConnell would whip it just below
mcConnell supports it so no it isn't
Maybe Romney and a few other Republicans.. we aren't getting to 67. Even if we got close McConnell would whip it just below
Well McTurtle is already giving them cover by saying he supports the emergency declaration. He'll get enough to agree with that, IMO.
There's no such thing as an "EC ceiling". If she wins the popular vote by more than 4 percent, which is likely given Trump's approval, it won't be close enough for the EC to matter.
Warren's job is to divide Bernie support,
all hail Kamala Harris as President
The biggest threats to the future right now are Bernie agitators/foreign actors, and Howard Schulz (I still think dismissing Schulz is premature and dangerous).
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