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devSin

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Oct 27, 2017
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I don't know why I'm so in love with a Harris/Roy Cooper ticket, but I am.

But it won't happen because he has to run for reelection.

Now Harris/Tony Evers. Get us WI.

(Only halfway joking.)
Thoughts on Harris/Bootigog?

Schultz isn't a presidential candidate, he's an SNL punchline.
His messaging makes it abundantly clear that he's running to prevent Democrats from winning. He talks about "both sides", but every concrete attack he makes is against Democratic policy proposals.

He's literally using his money to get Trump re-elected so he won't pay higher taxes. Anybody who goes to Starbucks at this point is donating to Trump 2020.
 

Aaron

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Oct 25, 2017
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People have also declared Harris and Warren dead in the water. O'Rourke hasn't even said whether he's running.

Declarative statements this early in the game are dumb. The only one that can be said with any confidence is that Gabbard is horrid and probably not going anywhere.
 
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I'm more concerned about Beto's ability after Kamala's performance tonight.

Kamala displayed something I haven't seen from Beto yet. The ability to weave style with indisputable policy knowledge. She's not the wonk that Warren is, but there wasn't a point in tonight's town hall where you got the impression that Kamala wasn't well-versed in the issues she was discussing. And she combined this with a real warmth and friendliness that rivaled Warren and in some ways surpassed her (that laugh really is endearing).

With Beto, I get an abundance of style, but there's also a learning-as-you-go sense about him that might hinder him in a head-to-head with other candidates who know how to combine personality with actual policy knowledge.
Speaking broadly, I think tonight's town hall has given me more confidence than ever that we have the strongest group of candidates in my (presumably our) life time. I can't remember another primary where we had more than three candidates for whom you could make a solid case as to why they should be President.

If Beto jumps in the race soon I think he'll do well. I definitely think he's missed the golden window to seize upon the momentum he had shortly after the midterms, but if he announces before March I think he'll be fine.
 

Pixieking

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Sure, there's over a year of presidential campaigning left to do, but Beto is undercut by being a loser. Absolutely not understating how close he came in Texas, but when he was the most flashy of the possible nominees it was easy to ignore his Senate loss. However, now? There's flashy (and not-so-flashy) youthful (and not-so-youthful) intelligent possibilities who aren't losers and who are staking-out territory in people's minds. I don't think it'll be easy for him to overcome being a late-comer to the party.

For those who haven't been taking it seriously:



This is not rational, this is being shitty to the thousands of people that Starbucks employs the world over, including in the US. Why would Schultz give a shit about all the employees who are losing shifts because of people protesting his decision to run? He's already a fucking millionaire.
 

Ichthyosaurus

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His messaging makes it abundantly clear that he's running to prevent Democrats from winning. He talks about "both sides", but every concrete attack he makes is against Democratic policy proposals.

He's literally using his money to get Trump re-elected so he won't pay higher taxes. Anybody who goes to Starbucks at this point is donating to Trump 2020.

I don't think he's trying to be Trump, he wants to be right wing/centrist Jill Stein.
 

Y2Kev

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I am kinda surprised people would say something like I'm worried about Beto before he even announces. Copala is still a cop, I read it in the ot. Warren has a supply of nukes to drop yet (still on haself). Bernie is a desiccated old fart bread. And Biden probably singlehandedly caused the bad Chinese food you ate last weekend. Also have you seen Howard Schultz? Now he is saying some things that Americans want to hear, such as.
 

ak1287

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I am kinda surprised people would say something like I'm worried about Beto before he even announces. Copala is still a cop, I read it in the ot. Warren has a supply of nukes to drop yet (still on haself). Bernie is a desiccated old fart bread. And Biden probably singlehandedly caused the bad Chinese food you ate last weekend. Also have you seen Howard Schultz? Now he is saying some things that Americans want to hear, such as.
How drunk are you, scale of 9-10?
 

jeelybeans

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People have also declared Harris and Warren dead in the water. O'Rourke hasn't even said whether he's running.

Declarative statements this early in the game are dumb. The only one that can be said with any confidence is that Gabbard is horrid and probably not going anywhere.

Dude, Gabbard is the only real progressive running because she endorsed Bernie in 2016 says an uneducated white male on my Facebook feed who refuses to concede despite being shown her voting record.
 

BoboBrazil

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I still think Beto wins the nom. Announcing on Oprah is just such an epic moment in Times Square. There will be thousands chanting for him and the scene will be incredible. Kamala/Booker can be great vp picks. Warren is damaged goods. The Pocahontas/DNA stuff will never go away.
 
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This is the strongest bench of candidates I've ever seen. The lucky ones will likely end up in President Harris' cabinet.
I feel like I'm hyping myself up speculating over a smash roster the way I'm imagining all the potential cabinet members who could replace Trump's current carnival of empty suits. I wonder if AOC would wanna head the EPA? Or if she even should? Fellow dem socialist Julia Salazar, currently an NY state senator, could probably fill her spot in congress.


BoboBrazil said:
I still think Beto wins the nom. Announcing on Oprah is just such an epic moment in Times Square. There will be thousands chanting for him and the scene will be incredible. Kamala/Booker can be great vp picks. Warren is damaged goods. The Pocahontas/DNA stuff will never go away.

side-eye....
 
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Beto on Oprah will be platitudes on platitudes and Oprah will never ask him to clarify any actual positions. Could be a deal though.
 

shinra-bansho

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I'm not entirely sure why Oprah would be the venue for Beto to announce. An iconic black woman media mogul is going to be the platform for the launch of the campaign of the next white male moderateish Dem President of the United States?
 

Ichthyosaurus

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I think all I know is that I want women on top of the ticket.

Wonder Woman/Captain Marvel '20

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BoboBrazil

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I'm not entirely sure why Oprah would be the venue for Beto to announce. An iconic black woman media mogul is going to be the platform for the launch of the campaign of the next white male moderateish Dem President of the United States?
We've no idea what his presidential campaign would look like. He might not be as moderate-ish when he announces. And I think that's a smart move to announce with Oprah, if that's what he ultimately does. What's he supposed to do in a dem primary? Let Kamala Harris win over all the black voters uncontested?
 

aspiegamer

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ZzzzzzZzzzZzz...
The abnormal warmth has been in Alaska this week, with temps 40-50 degrees above normal in places. Of course no one gives a crap about this and it doesn't make the news because it affects a total of about 500 people.

Also, bonus warmth like for literally 90% of every else on earth that aren't the north-central US. I know these posts are meaningless, but just a quick reminder that there's always, always, always record warm somewhere if there's an extreme record cold somewhere else.

XLyUEmI.png
 

FreezePeach

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The abnormal warmth has been in Alaska this week, with temps 40-50 degrees above normal in places. Of course no one gives a crap about this and it doesn't make the news because it affects a total of about 500 people.

Also, bonus warmth like for literally 90% of every else on earth that aren't the north-central US. I know these posts are meaningless, but just a quick reminder that there's always, always, always record warm somewhere if there's an extreme record cold somewhere else.

XLyUEmI.png
People are fighting a losing battle simply fighting on the term 'global warming'. You are dealing with people so stupid that they think record cold means there is no global warming. Climate change is the way to get through, that the overall warming and melting of the ice causes extreme weather that might not have experienced it before.
 

TheHunter

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The abnormal warmth has been in Alaska this week, with temps 40-50 degrees above normal in places. Of course no one gives a crap about this and it doesn't make the news because it affects a total of about 500 people.

Also, bonus warmth like for literally 90% of every else on earth that aren't the north-central US. I know these posts are meaningless, but just a quick reminder that there's always, always, always record warm somewhere if there's an extreme record cold somewhere else.

XLyUEmI.png
I know I like seeing all that red over the Arctic and the Antarctic.
 

shinra-bansho

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Oprah does not need money nor ratings. And she's already widely credited for her endorsement of Obama being a major boon and possibly pivotal in his becoming President.

So in a field, crowded with potential history makers, she will use her platform to move the needle why...?

Still don't get it.
 
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Oprah does not need money nor ratings. And she's already widely credited for her endorsement of Obama being a major boon and possibly pivotal in his becoming President.

So in a field, crowded with potential history makers, she will use her platform to move the needle why...?

Still don't get it.
Maybe Beto reached out to her and no one else did? It wouldn't necessarily surprise me. She hasn't had a tv show for a decade. I mean Oprah's still Oprah, but her influence in 2019 isn't exactly what it was in 2008.

Bit of a crude metric but here's at least a morsel of data to support what I said:
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=oprah
 

MetalGearZed

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Is this Oprah thing specifically for the sit-down with Beto or is it like "OPRAH IN TIME SQUARE!!...feat. Congressman O'Rourke"?
 

Daitokuji

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I'm very skeptical of Beto now. Harris displayed a rather strong command of the issues as well as the ability to display her oratory skills. Beto has the later but from what I've seen is lacking on the former. And a softball Oprah interview is unlikely to change my mind.
 

lenovox1

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Oct 26, 2017
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Is this Oprah thing specifically for the sit-down with Beto or is it like "OPRAH IN TIME SQUARE!!...feat. Congressman O'Rourke"?

The second.

Maybe Beto reached out to her and no one else did? It wouldn't necessarily surprise me. She hasn't had a tv show for a decade. I mean Oprah's still Oprah, but her influence in 2019 isn't exactly what it was in 2008.

Bit of a crude metric but here's at least a morsel of data to support what I said:
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=oprah

Oprah's team probably reached out to him for this series, and you don't really turn down an Oprah interview. It will probably be light on politics.
 
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Oprah's team probably reached out to him for this series, and you don't really turn down an Oprah interview. It will probably be light on politics.

Light on politics I could see, but given the timing I feel like he will definitely confirm that he's either running or not running during that interview. Imagine the ill will he would bring on himself if he went in hiding for two months, and then popped up again with Oprah of all people just to say "Yeah, still not sure."
 

Ichthyosaurus

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I'm very skeptical of Beto now. Harris displayed a rather strong command of the issues as well as the ability to display her oratory skills. Beto has the later but from what I've seen is lacking on the former. And a softball Oprah interview is unlikely to change my mind.

Agreed. Originally I was blown away by his presentation and charisma, but he didn't show the depth Kamala has lately. She's perfected the Obama technique better than he has at this stage, and modified it to this political climate.
 

MarioW

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The abnormal warmth has been in Alaska this week, with temps 40-50 degrees above normal in places. Of course no one gives a crap about this and it doesn't make the news because it affects a total of about 500 people.

Also, bonus warmth like for literally 90% of every else on earth that aren't the north-central US. I know these posts are meaningless, but just a quick reminder that there's always, always, always record warm somewhere if there's an extreme record cold somewhere else.

XLyUEmI.png

Here in New Zealand we are at the start of a heat wave that is bringing temperatures not seen for 157 years. And they are expecting it might get even hotter.
 

lenovox1

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Light on politics I could see, but given the timing I feel like he will definitely confirm that he's either running or not running during that interview. Imagine the ill will he would bring on himself if he went in hiding for two months, and then popped up again with Oprah of all people just to say "Yeah, still not sure."

Who knows with him. He recently told Politico that the decision could take him "months."

He's right in that only political insiders and nerds care about the exact timing of his campaign. But if he wants to win, and collect enough in donations to take on the likes of Kamala Harris and Bernie Sanders, and, you know, hire staff in the early primary states, I'd like to think he'd at least be involved in any future campaign effort by now.
 
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Agreed. Originally I was blown away by his presentation and charisma, but he didn't show the depth Kamala has lately. She's perfected the Obama technique better than he has at this stage, and modified it to this political climate.

I'm really excited to see more town halls from other candidates. I could see Gillibrand doing well in this setting. I already had a favorable view of Harris but she beat my expectations handily aside from, unfortunately on her part, the opening and closing questions.
 

Ichthyosaurus

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I'm really excited to see more town halls from other candidates. I could see Gillibrand doing well in this setting. I already had a favorable view of Harris but she beat my expectations handily aside from, unfortunately on her part, the opening and closing questions.

I was thinking about Harris' cabinet from these candidates and come up with:

Beto = VP

Gillabrand = Secretary of State

Elisabeth Warren = Treasury or economic advisor

Castro = Department of Energy

Pete Buttigieg = HUD

It's just spitballing, and I don't know all their strengths yet. I don't trust Booker to be anywhere, but he probably will get a position somewhere in her government.
 

aspiegamer

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I feel like Sanders and Biden in particular will look like bumbling idiots in a town hall setting compared to how smooth Harris made that look today. Not "out of touch" per say, just not as comfortable or looking as empathetic. Such are disadvantages of being white men old as dirt in a diverse field.
Here in New Zealand we are at the start of a heat wave that is bringing temperatures not seen for 157 years. And they are expecting it might get even hotter.
I was going to mention Austrailia's heatwave, but the climates of the northern and southern hemispheres that far apart in latitude are almost entirely separate entities so it's not as 1:1.
 

patientzero

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This is the strongest bench of candidates I've ever seen. The lucky ones will likely end up in President Harris' cabinet.

Agreed, and I cannot fathom those who think this is a weak bench. Let's look at modern Dem primaries -

2000 - Gore, Bradley
2004 - Kerry, Edwards, Dean
2008 - Obama, Clinton, Edwards, Biden
2012 - Obama, obviously
2016 - Clinton, Sanders
2020 - Warren, Harris, Sanders, Beto, Booker, Gillibrand, maybe Klobuchar, maybe Biden

It's a packed field of experience, both politically and in life. They all bring different elements in a way that previous primaries did not. Like, look at 04;old white man central. Warren, Harris, and Gillibrand alone are more dynamic and disparate than that.

The abnormal warmth has been in Alaska this week, with temps 40-50 degrees above normal in places. Of course no one gives a crap about this and it doesn't make the news because it affects a total of about 500 people.

Also, bonus warmth like for literally 90% of every else on earth that aren't the north-central US. I know these posts are meaningless, but just a quick reminder that there's always, always, always record warm somewhere if there's an extreme record cold somewhere else.

XLyUEmI.png

Say what one might about Thomas Friedman's torturous metaphors (and whoo boy, could we make hay of it), his description/coining of "global weirding" is perfect. Climate change means radical swings between regions, even in a calendar year.

I'm reminded of a hostile debate I had some months back with a UK poster who said no place should use Fahrenheit over Celsius because 100 degree swings in a single region were unheard of. Well, motherfucker, it ain't so simple in the US compared to the UK. My own state routinely swaps between -20 wind chill in deep winter to 100 in heat index summer. And this is without these climatic mood swings.
 
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