Good. I can think of no higher encomium for a public school than that rich people send their children there. Maybe free tuition will encourage more rich people to do it!
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Good. I can think of no higher encomium for a public school than that rich people send their children there. Maybe free tuition will encourage more rich people to do it!
Gonna be real, this feels a bit like
Or when people try and argue 100k isn't a lot in places like NYC due to cost of living, even if most people live well below that line.
My point is if you have 100k a year to work with, you're doing pretty goddamned well.
So many arguments of this style over the years fuel the outcome of inaction and lack of progress. In the 2016 debates it was "well Donald Trump's kids shouldn't get access to these education programs", so therefore the programs just aren't possible. For getting health-care for 9/11 first-responders, it was "well we might provide healthcare for something unrelated", so let's not approve it. And now it's "what could people making $100k possibly need?", so let's not expand these programs or their availability even though more people in them would make them more popular and more acceptable and more available.
If you are single, healthy, have your medical and other insurance premiums paid for, and are paying mid-1990's level of rent and gas/heating costs (before housing and oil prices began their climb), then yeah $100k is damn good.
But today, people raising, say, two children, and making $50k each, having to use two different insurance providers and paying premiums outsized to salary, if they can get coverage at all (spouses can't be on others' plans if they can get their own coverage, even if it is inferior), not getting enough life insurance (which is calculated in multiples of base salary so if your base salary is lower then oh well), taxes withdrawn under two separate schemes, may not even have employer savings plans at that salary level, and paying 2010's rent and gas/heating costs in the NYC area, just to have a roof over their head, there's not nearly as much room as people think there is.
And that's just if the two people are salaried, in one job each, and can manage pre/afterschool fees for the kids (they could apply to the school system for free/reduced fee meals and care for the kids, but of course would not be accepted for assistance at this earnings level). If your kids are not yet in the school system, the costs for pre-school or day care can be exorbitant. Haven't even mentioned possible care for elders yet.
If you are not salaried and somehow working two jobs/shifts to pull close to this level in, your payments may not be regular and missing rent becomes a possibility. And the constant churn of clothes, food, supplies and care-while-you-work for dependents of any age (including elders) can have you into debt, even if you don't lose pay from work for taking time off when your kids are sick or your dad fell again.
So it's quite realistic to not be doing comfortably at this earnings level. Sure, they are able to give it a try where others may not be able to, but quite a few end up in similar predicaments to those earning less, it may just take a little longer to get there.
That's only if your employers are assholes. I've never actually worked for a place that does this.
And don't forget student loans in your calculations! Many people who have good-wage jobs have them and can be half of a monthly mortgage payment or more.
I've heard this 'in private gop congressmen acknowledge how shitty Trump is' line way too often, from Dems too. Just name names please and thank you. We're dealing with an existential threat here, so fuck decorum.
My wife and I work in higher education and both make over six figures. When you have leadership roles, the salaries really do balloon. The bubble will burst eventually, and you will see a lot of small and medium sized private schools closing down.
tuition is crazy in private schools and people need to realize that they don't need to spend 65000 a year for an experience.
Also making over six figures each doesn't feel like upper class
tuition is crazy in private schools and people need to realize that they don't need to spend 65000 a year for an experience.
Also making over six figures each doesn't feel like upper class
It's becoming more common as an attempt to "save" money, but yes my wife's latest workplace hasn't done this thankfully.
And student loans, absolutely yes.
I saw some Yang stickers posted around the Blu-rays and DVDs at Target today. My mom and I got a kick out of that.
*Tales from a thanksgiving in Florida*
"You know man, i mean i support our president and all but shit has gotten really weird man."
"You gotta understand, Trump is a Washington outsider..."
"Stop, lets do a quid pro quo and ill give you another pour of this fine rum if you shut up"
"Yes sir" said the guy 30 years older.
"You know man, i mean i support our president and all but shit has gotten really weird man."
"You gotta understand, Trump is a Washington outsider..."
"Stop, lets do a quid pro quo and ill give you another pour of this fine rum if you shut up"
"Yes sir" said the guy 30 years older.
Wealth inequality is so exaggerated in America that it distorts everything. A lot of the old definitions don't seem as useful these days.
As a lifelong Bowie fan, from watching Labyrinth on VHS as a kid to the Berlin Trilogy serving as my unofficial college soundtrack of college to moving cross country to his entire catalogue, it was the celebrity death that's hit me hardest and 2016 would have been a shitty year even if Trump had lost.
I still have trouble listening to Blackstar.
Just saw the movie The Report on amazon, about the Senate Intelligence Committee's report on enhanced interrogation techniques. Just as I was beginning to sort of become indifferent to Bush administration, the movie rekindles my hatred with the fury of a thousand suns. Motherfucker needs to be in a prison jumpsuit in hague along with all his warcriminals. And you know what, Obama needs to fuck off with his "post-partisan" bullshit about not going after Bush administration. It's pretty much a redoing of Ford pardoning Nixon. Ugh the movie made me just mad.
I would say American classes are as such, household with let's say 2 kids, cause individual is different:
0-40k household: poverty. You can't provide for kids at this wage what they need to be set up well for college and life. Most people born into this, stay in this.
40k-80k: maybe there's no vacations to Disney world every year, but those kids have healthy meals. And maybe if the corolla breaks down, we're not starving.
80k-120k: middle class. This is the comfort mode, probably where most of us here grew up in.
120k-200k- upper middle class. No executives, or maybe one and a stay at home. Kids will never know a want from a need.
200k-400k- "the working upper class"
Yea this is RICH territory now. But these people work for their riches. These are the people with the McMansions and Tesla's. Maybe they own 2-4 properties as well. This should be the limit to what a person can profit IMO
400k- this is where your life is completely unrelatable to most folks. I'm comfortable with this being the "start taxing the shit out of them" point
ownership class: the one percent. The people that reap the rewards of the collective work of the 99 percent I just mentioned. TRASH tier basically. Fuck these people and fuck their shady Ways. Can't even attribute a "household" income to them, becuase they lie on their taces, and they have so much money and income streams that who knows how much they actually make a year. Imagine that, being so wealthy that you don't know how much money you make.
0-40k household: poverty. You can't provide for kids at this wage what they need to be set up well for college and life. Most people born into this, stay in this.
40k-80k: maybe there's no vacations to Disney world every year, but those kids have healthy meals. And maybe if the corolla breaks down, we're not starving.
80k-120k: middle class. This is the comfort mode, probably where most of us here grew up in.
120k-200k- upper middle class. No executives, or maybe one and a stay at home. Kids will never know a want from a need.
200k-400k- "the working upper class"
Yea this is RICH territory now. But these people work for their riches. These are the people with the McMansions and Tesla's. Maybe they own 2-4 properties as well. This should be the limit to what a person can profit IMO
400k- this is where your life is completely unrelatable to most folks. I'm comfortable with this being the "start taxing the shit out of them" point
ownership class: the one percent. The people that reap the rewards of the collective work of the 99 percent I just mentioned. TRASH tier basically. Fuck these people and fuck their shady Ways. Can't even attribute a "household" income to them, becuase they lie on their taces, and they have so much money and income streams that who knows how much they actually make a year. Imagine that, being so wealthy that you don't know how much money you make.
Income is such a fucked discussion to have nationwide since it's so regional and city based. Like even if you're making 100k and SF and living with roommates, there's a good chance you have tech company health care, free transit (via bus), and maybe free food too. It's a messy discussion altogether.
Half the country is below 50k so like where do we go from here
I don't think there's anything disingenuous about saying he has different ideas for solving problems this nation faces and pointing them out.
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This is what happens when the top 1%+ have billions in net worth.
Anyone else think that if Republicans turn on Trump it is going to be sudden and almost all at once? It seems like tons of Republicans hate him (probably because Trump doesn't know what dog whistling is and he always says the quiet part out loud). Having everyone turn at once would save a lot of people from being individually targeted by Trump's wrath.
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As an economist this seems like a better summation.
This changes depeding on
A)Location location location
B) Number of individuals (If you're a single earner making 85k living by yourself you good fam.
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It isn't, the issue is their vast wealth has obscured the fact that there's in fact 3 tiers of Upper class.
Bezos tier (High Upper)
Small business owner (Mid Upper)
Professional class (Lower Upper)
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59,039 actually.(2017), I see 2018 was 61,000 so you may be correct.
But I agree with this. If you make 100K as a family you are well off; yet education and healthcare are still concerns. This is speaks to how big of an issue they both are.
Upper class people tend to be around other people richer than them who make them feel poor(er) and in the middle class. When you work in finance/tech and you see your managers and executives living lavishly, you start to feel inadequate.
This is why the middle class terminology is so distorted.
This is why the middle class terminology is so distorted.
I imagine a lot will within the week he's out of office. You'll still have some diseased people like we do with the Tea Party still there with their hee hawing about.
It'll probably be cheaper to just let billionaire/millionaire children get free college than to have layers of bureaucracy making sure that people don't cheat the system. Means-testing will create a lot of resentment for people around the margins. (People just above the threshold will always want to eliminate it due to the unfairness.)
And if you think about it they won't really be getting 'free' public college. Their parents will pay for it via taxation one way or another.
Pete's not a dumb guy. He fully knows this which is why the left considers this to be disingenuous attack.
And if you think about it they won't really be getting 'free' public college. Their parents will pay for it via taxation one way or another.
Pete's not a dumb guy. He fully knows this which is why the left considers this to be disingenuous attack.
Have you read the blog post he wrote explaining the errors in his thinking on this question back in 2010?
Yes. He was 21 and being contrarian to the campus consensus, believing in the authoritative positions of leaders like Kerry and Clinton to wipe Iraq out.
At least you got some good rum out of it...? I got a free mimosa from my Mother for not talking about politics over food just because she's a Biden supporter! An absurd $8 one, at that!
Jesus, this country is a disaster. See, I'd rate "middle class family" as anything from 50k to 150k here, especially after geographical considerations.This is what happens when the top 1%+ have billions in net worth.
The US Median Salary is $56,000 from a 2015 Census study. Pete's plan basically cuts on a crap ton of people for no reason but it can.
I think the next debate should "Cable news willing" be on health care and college debt. Those might be the two main issue right now everyone has an opinion on.
I think the next debate should "Cable news willing" be on health care and college debt. Those might be the two main issue right now everyone has an opinion on.
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Yes. It's a little sad, but as your last post demonstrates, sometimes people are just needlessly contrarian and all you can do is hope they grow out of it.
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Damn The Torture Report was a great political drama movie.
Also was it really true that Obama got counsel from people like Hillary Clinton to start an IG investigation into the EIT program and he said no? Damn Obama the real villain of the movie! (he was also shown in the tan suit!)
Also was it really true that Obama got counsel from people like Hillary Clinton to start an IG investigation into the EIT program and he said no? Damn Obama the real villain of the movie! (he was also shown in the tan suit!)
Someone get y2kev in here to crush our souls on income.
I'm legit surprised there weren't any substantive news dumps on Friday. The day after Thanksgiving is one of the best days of the year to throw out horrible info to assure no one ever sees it.
I'm legit surprised there weren't any substantive news dumps on Friday. The day after Thanksgiving is one of the best days of the year to throw out horrible info to assure no one ever sees it.
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I make about 71k and am in the 75th percentile for individual income, (80k with all my benefits and stuff gets me to 80th).
For 2018, I was in the 90th percentile for my age group. Now i'm 81th (85th with benefits).
That's sad. 94k puts me at 90th for my age. 15000 a year is 97th.
200k is the break even for my age group to hit 99th(1%). That same amount for the general population is only 97th percent. 329,000 is the 1% for all income percentiles.
Once you hit 75 percentile the graph stop being a slow climb and becomes a rocket ship into space.
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Are those figures gross income or net income?
My gross income looks very good, my net income sucks. The pleasures of running a small business.
My gross income looks very good, my net income sucks. The pleasures of running a small business.
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Income pre tax.
Again, income isn't everything. 40% live pay check to pay check but it's like 60% are in debt over $ 1000 i believe?
The fucking trap beat being used to signify Cory's African-American heritage as well, oh my god. A Super PAC stereotyping their own candidate... that's new.
He's not making that silly argument out of his own stupidity - he's trying to poison the well on every major Progressive idea as a way of tanking the popularity of Sanders and Warren's policy proposals.
It's dirty as hell but I feel like it's working against Warren and her healthcare plan.
"Millionaires children" getting free college isn't really a problem when you consider
- the volume of "millionaires children" attending college is low relative to everybody else
- if you taxed "millionaires" properly anyway, they'd already be making a bigger contribution to the education system than the average person
I mean, by the same logic being applied to argue against free college, you could suggest "we should demolish public libraries because rich people can access them too and they can afford to buy their own books".
- the volume of "millionaires children" attending college is low relative to everybody else
- if you taxed "millionaires" properly anyway, they'd already be making a bigger contribution to the education system than the average person
I mean, by the same logic being applied to argue against free college, you could suggest "we should demolish public libraries because rich people can access them too and they can afford to buy their own books".
That's what you would do if you've been unofficially hired/backed to spoil the field.
It worked with Warren prior. but AOC intervening probably wasn't expected. I don't think Pete wants that smoke and this opened up a can of worms that made him look like a out of touch empty suit. Especially to Millennials.
Guys stop trying to make sense of Butti college plan. It's not intended to make sense from a policy perspective.
Like everything else he does it is driven by donors (who can afford college but don't want to pay higher taxes to let other kids go for free because rich folk are mostly cunts) and sneaky slimey politics ("look guys I don't like rich folk either" as he advocates a policy they paid him to advocate.)
Like everything else he does it is driven by donors (who can afford college but don't want to pay higher taxes to let other kids go for free because rich folk are mostly cunts) and sneaky slimey politics ("look guys I don't like rich folk either" as he advocates a policy they paid him to advocate.)
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