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shadow_shogun

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FIONA HILL: I refuse to be part of an effort to legitimize an alternate narrative that the Ukrainian government is a U.S. adversary, and that Ukraine—not Russia—attacked us in 2016. These fictions are harmful even if they are deployed for purely domestic political purposes.
10:18 - 21 Nov 2019
 

pigeon

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Obviously it's more complicated but Kirblar is one of the most vocal Bernie haters and when you say shit like "fuck the DSA" and call them "no nothing luddites" and basically trashing Socialists every chance he gets it's toxic. As for whether supply is a problem, it depends on where you live. I understand things are complicated but for example in LA there are more vacant homes than there are homeless people so that's probably where that critique is coming from.

Not to put too fine a point on it, the deal was that you guys get to keep talking about how bad and selfish liberals in the generic are and kirblar gets to bash the DSA in the generic. You can't really have it both ways.

A vacant home produces no income for the owner and has significant costs. What's the theory on why these homes are vacant?
 

Dahbomb

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LOL Hill throwing Clinton under the bus.

Clinton stans am cry.

(Hill said Clinton would have been helpful for Russia as well in terms of issue of legitimacy. They want to divide the country and Clinton would have helped on that front too.)
 

Aaron

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My hot take is that there's still 3 months until Iowa and Pete, while currently the flavor of the month, might be surging too soon and can absolutely fall back toward the pack by then.
We saw this happen quite a bit in the 2012 Republican primary where it was basically always Romney in the lead, but there was a constant rotation of flavor-of-the-month candidates who were putting up a strong second.

Somehow it happened to land on Rick Santorum of all people when the time actually came to vote. But before that, there was Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann, Herman Cain... some shot themselves in the foot, others just faded more naturally.

I actually don't know exactly who's equivalent to who in the 2020 Democratic primary, but also things aren't usually cleanly 1:1 like that, either. Biden isn't very formidable in Iowa or New Hampshire, so if you're strictly looking at those to determine a frontrunner that's going to paint a totally different picture. It's basically the only reason we're even talking about Buttigieg.
 

lmcfigs

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We saw this happen quite a bit in the 2012 Republican primary where it was basically always Romney in the lead, but there was a constant rotation of flavor-of-the-month candidates who were putting up a strong second.

Somehow it happened to land on Rick Santorum of all people when the time actually came to vote. But before that, there was Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann, Herman Cain... some shot themselves in the foot, others just faded more naturally.

I actually don't know exactly who's equivalent to who in the 2020 Democratic primary, but also things aren't usually cleanly 1:1 like that, either. Biden isn't very formidable in Iowa or New Hampshire, so if you're strictly looking at those to determine a frontrunner that's going to paint a totally different picture. It's basically the only reason we're even talking about Buttigieg.
I would love for him to be Herman Cain, but his rise has been pretty consistent, no?
 

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Manmademan

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We saw this happen quite a bit in the 2012 Republican primary where it was basically always Romney in the lead, but there was a constant rotation of flavor-of-the-month candidates who were putting up a strong second.

Somehow it happened to land on Rick Santorum of all people when the time actually came to vote. But before that, there was Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann, Herman Cain... some shot themselves in the foot, others just faded more naturally.

I actually don't know exactly who's equivalent to who in the 2020 Democratic primary, but also things aren't usually cleanly 1:1 like that, either. Biden isn't very formidable in Iowa or New Hampshire, so if you're strictly looking at those to determine a frontrunner that's going to paint a totally different picture. It's basically the only reason we're even talking about Buttigieg.

This isn't a great example because Romney only stayed afloat because

1.) He had the overwhelming support of the party establishment, and these people were involved in fundraising heavily for him

and

2.)Because of #1, Romney was able to simply outspend people like Santorum by ridiculous 12-1 margins in order to win states.

Biden is not in this position. Also noteworthy is that Romney was the lone voice of reason in a sea full of incompetent lunatics. On the other hand, every single other candidate running is more coherent than Biden is on a debate stage, and all of them sans Williamson are able to articulate detailed plans that run circles around whatever Biden has.
 

Aaron

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LOL Hill throwing Clinton under the bus.

Clinton stans am cry.

(Hill said Clinton would have been helpful for Russia as well in terms of issue of legitimacy. They want to divide the country and Clinton would have helped on that front too.)
Can't tell if you're serious with the first two sentences there, but yeah. There'd still be a lot of division in this country if Clinton won the presidency.

I mean, Dubya hit 90% approval right after 9/11, but that came down to earth quickly. I think our prior needs to be that about ~40% of this country is always going to be angry at leadership. That's where polarization has led us, there's no politician who can realistically break 60% approval nationally. Obama is right around there, he's the closest thing to a unifier we have, plenty of people still fucking hate his guts either because he's black, because he's a Democrat or because he's pro-choice.


This isn't a great example because Romney only stayed afloat because

1.) He had the overwhelming support of the party establishment, and these people were involved in fundraising heavily for him

and

2.)Because of #1, Romney was able to simply outspend people like Santorum by ridiculous 12-1 margins in order to win states.

Biden is not in this position.
Well yeah, and I addressed that. Like I said, no comparison is ever going to be 1:1 neat and tidy.
 

shiba5

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Not just fake news. Now the entire press is fake. His brain worms are multiplying fast now.



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Trump clearly unhappy about the Sondland coverage, rails against the press in Austin (during photo op with Apple CEO Tim Cook)... "We have a fake press." "Lots of them are fake and phony." "Fake papers they're fake press." per WH pool

I wish I knew. Only he seems obsessed with these Trump nudes.

Ew. Does he know something we don't or is he talking about the "pee tape"?
 

Dahbomb

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Can't tell if you're serious with the first two sentences there, but yeah. There'd still be a lot of division in this country if Clinton won the presidency.

I mean, Dubya hit 90% approval right after 9/11, but that came down to earth quickly. I think our prior needs to be that about ~40% of this country is always going to be angry at leadership. That's where polarization has led us, there's no politician who can realistically break 60% approval nationally. Obama is right around there, he's the closest thing to a unifier we have, plenty of people still fucking hate his guts either because he's black, because he's a Democrat or because he's pro-choice.
Wasn't being serious but it was interesting that Hill pointed that Clinton being elected would have helped Russia as well in terms of deligitimatizing the office of the presidency.
 

illiniguy05

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I can't watch. Why does Nunes keep bringing up nudes?

As I recall, the Russian pranksters who called Lindsey Graham a few months ago l had called Schiff a while back and said they had the pee tape, essentially.

Schiff said that was interesting and told them to call the FBI. Republicans now bring this up as Schiff seeking unde pics of the pres.
 

ValiantChaos

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We saw this happen quite a bit in the 2012 Republican primary where it was basically always Romney in the lead, but there was a constant rotation of flavor-of-the-month candidates who were putting up a strong second.

Somehow it happened to land on Rick Santorum of all people when the time actually came to vote. But before that, there was Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann, Herman Cain... some shot themselves in the foot, others just faded more naturally.

I actually don't know exactly who's equivalent to who in the 2020 Democratic primary, but also things aren't usually cleanly 1:1 like that, either. Biden isn't very formidable in Iowa or New Hampshire, so if you're strictly looking at those to determine a frontrunner that's going to paint a totally different picture. It's basically the only reason we're even talking about Buttigieg.

Biden is sorta like Romey and Trump. Like Romney Biden is a weak frontrunner but Romney had NH to fall back on after an IA loss while Biden has to wait till SC to have a firewall. Like Trump Biden has had a consistent frontrunner national lead that hasn't really abated aside from a temp Warren rise that has stabilized.
 

AnotherNils

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BTW, do you guys catch the fact that when Sondland told Trump in Kiev, Trump didn't understand what that meant and clarified he was in Ukraine?
 
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Fuck Tim Cook. He, Zuck, and the rest of these mega tech corporations are evil as hell, and will kiss Trump's or Xi's ass for more $$$.

Also gotta love Bill Gates worrying how much money he will have left if Warren implements her policies....just as he became the world's richest man again...
 

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Between Pete and Tulsi, sign me up 10,000% for Pete.
 
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Obviously it's more complicated but Kirblar is one of the most vocal Bernie haters and when you say shit like "fuck the DSA" and call them "no nothing luddites" and basically trashing Socialists every chance he gets it's toxic. As for whether supply is a problem, it depends on where you live. I understand things are complicated but for example in LA there are more vacant homes than there are homeless people so that's probably where that critique is coming from.
Pointing out that the DSA's tweet is disingenuous and in poor faith is not toxic.
 

shiba5

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As I recall, the Russian pranksters who called Lindsey Graham a few months ago l had called Schiff a while back and said they had the pee tape, essentially.

Schiff said that was interesting and told them to call the FBI. Republicans now bring this up as Schiff seeking unde pics of the pres.

That's way dumber than I ever imagined. How Schiff can go to work and not punch Nunes in the face everyday is beyond me.
 

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I know people in the DSA and I appreciate it but don't like how they prop up Bernie while tearing down Warren just because Bernie calls himself a socialist (when DSA members are knowledgable enough to know that he's not one).
 

adamsappel

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Lol. My son thinks Biden looks exactly like old Cap from Endgame. He's kinda right.
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It took me a while to see Endgame, but I caught this picture floating around, and I honestly thought it was something from the Biden campaign. When people were saying that Biden looked ancient and decrepit, I was thinking, "But he looks really good in that campaign ad." I didn't know what "No, I don't think I will" meant, but he looked hale and hearty to me.

And Biden's "punching at" comment is just a Classic Biden gaffe. He should lean into that more, instead of being defensive about it. Bush did and still has a genial goof persona. Same with Trump and his vision. If he put on a pair of reading glasses, it would humanize him. XI should have embraced the Pooh references. "How can he be a ruthless genocidal monster? He loves Winnie the Pooh!"
 

shiba5

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If the GOP had anything that could help Trump, they could call people like Bolton, Pompeo, Mulvaney, etc...

Trump is guilty as fuck, and they know it.
 

Dahbomb

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If the GOP had anything that could help Trump, they could call people like Bolton, Pompeo, Mulvaney, etc...

Trump is guilty as fuck, and they know it.
They had their shot with Morrison and Volker, they were GOP witnesses. That backfired tremendously as Volker and Morrison changed their testimony to state that they do believe that it was wrong what Trump did.

Also Bolton was trying to oppose them so he wouldn't really help Republicans much either.
 
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