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US PoliERA 2019 |OT1| You down wit' NDP? (Yeah you know me!) Who's down wit' AOC? (This whole party!)
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I'd say there was more than that. A lot of people were wowed by his speech at the 2004 convention and were hoping he would run well before he announced. There was definitely something of an "Anybody But Clinton" sentiment that did eventually coalesce around Obama once the field narrowed down (particularly once Edwards dropped out) but it took a while to shake out. What's certainly notable in retrospect is that though she led in the early polling she never really seemed to break through to a majority. She mostly polled in the 30s, sometimes low-to-mid 40s, but rarely much better than that.
I say this not as a way of poo-pooing his chances out the gate, but the most common argument for Sanders (how well he did in 2016) in contrast to his polling numbers exposes something about his candidacy. Yes, he sponges up a good chunk of genuine leftists, but also much of his support just came from being the only viable not-Hillary. Webb and Chafee didn't belong anywhere in a Dem primary and O'Malley did nothing to distinguish himself from a generic D politician.
There is only one lord and savior:
Look at all those penises
After 3 years and an early Bernie supporter I have realized he is nothing more than a cassette tape without any nuance or differential thinking. He has 6 points and he never moves away from them . It's like a tape which keeps running again and again and even in answers unrelated to his 2016 campaign he tries to connect it to them .
It gets annoying. He also thinks he is some sort of secondary leader of the liberals with an alternative response to Nancy and Pelosi to Trump's wall speech. He only thinks for himself and not for the larger picture. That would make him a terrible leader . He now comes off as the angry old man who just can't accept defeat and is too arrogant to think his time is over
It gets annoying. He also thinks he is some sort of secondary leader of the liberals with an alternative response to Nancy and Pelosi to Trump's wall speech. He only thinks for himself and not for the larger picture. That would make him a terrible leader . He now comes off as the angry old man who just can't accept defeat and is too arrogant to think his time is over
I like the fake Tabasco logo. If that's not a jab at Clinton carrying hot sauce in her purse, I'm going to be very disappointed.
Unlike in 2016, there is a clear GOP target to come together and aim at (metaphorically!) after the primary is over, and that's Trump. Think of it more like 2008 where there was lots of division post-primary, but everyone came together because W. and the GOP tried to kill the economy.
There is only one lord and savior:
He just fired 10% of spaceex, where's your god now?
In space? On Mars? In that orbiting car? Don't ask me for details, I'm busy worshiping my stock portfolio.
Nancy and Pelosi are my favorite duo after Captain and Tennille.
I still have a feeling Bernie supporters will boycott Democrats if he loses in a primary. They'll pull a sabotage card again. But I agree with you, taking down Trump should be number 1 priority for everyone.
It seems like he's just testing his farmer base at this point, because even he can't believe they're dumb enough to continue supporting him.
It's more than that. There's a fuck you got mine segment of the Latino and Asian populations. Thankfully those people are fewer in number over time
Yeah, I think a common mistake is to think of his 2016 numbers as representing his base. I think his current polling is more representative of that. It doesn't mean that 20% is his ceiling of course or that he can't build a winning coalition, just that it's going to be real work to do so, especially as the lanes he chose last time (left, anti-establishment) are more crowded this time around.
It's all in how you phrase the question:
"Working for Russia?" - room for that's crazy!
"Working with Russia?" - room to investigate
"Working to advance Russian interests?" - Hard to deny
I would vote for my cat in the general if they made it through the primary with a (D) next to their name. That said, if Sanders ends up being the Democratic Party Nominee I will go out and buy a hat so I can eat it.
Got to make sure everyone knows the brown woman owes to all to a white man right?everyon
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Had to Google this. Was for sure he was talking about Oxford, Mississippi. I was wrong.
This is like the fourth or fifth time he's had this weird slurring thing going on. How are people not asking about this more often? There should be a valid explanation for why the President occasionally is slurring his words and cant seem to speak properly.
He always seems to do that when he misreads the prompter but realizes straight away, saying "and" then the proper word/thing. Why correct yourself when you can just double down on the error.
The man can never admit he is wrong about anything, even something as simple and understandable as misspeaking in a speech.
At this point I'm just waiting for there to basically be a complete shutdown of airports or something like that before anyone budges.
But are those people not also partisan republicans?
Wasn't he rigged? I swear I saw articles saying Bernie was rigged.
What do you mean "again"? Are people really still running with the demonstrably untrue theory that the percentage of Bernie voters not going on to vote for Hillary was significantly higher than is typical? Do you know that 25% of Hillary 08 primary voters went on to vote for McCain?
Bernie fans are small enough that courting their votes didn't matter but somehow also big enough that them sitting at home costing Hillary the election.
"Very much into the world of schools?"
No, you're not. What the fuck are you even talking about?
No, you're not. What the fuck are you even talking about?
Who needs crazy spy novels when you're part of the World of Schools?
He did get people to applaud him while the government doesn't pay them subsidies or insurance or what have you.
He did get people to applaud him while the government doesn't pay them subsidies or insurance or what have you.
It's not just his pronunciation. It's also his body language and he always looks fucking out of it; his rhetoric usually reflects it
Its probably a combination of dentures, adderall, and three hours a night of sleep. I cannot believe he is still alive to be honest.
The constant repetition of bad anti-Bernie memes is eventually going to retroactively turn me into a Bernie supporter in 2016
My guess?
the mornings he does way to much speed, he is given blood pressure medicine.
shit makes people wonky.
I think this is very important and needs to be stressed again. In 2016, Bernie's coalition was made up of a few different prongs. There were the true believers/far left, the anyone-but-Clinton people, and then young voters who were into the next big thing. (Obama benefited from this group in 2008 bigly.) There was also a not small subset of people who supported Bernie because he was a white male. (No, I am not saying his supporters are all racist, white men. But, you have states like WV that swung like 30 points away from Hillary. These are places she won in 2008 because the other option was a black man.)
These groups, imo, no longer exist in the same way. He still has his true believers, which I very much believe are around 10-15% of the vote. But he will not benefit form the "anyone but Clinton" voters because they will have options. There are fewer caucuses which were the majority of his wins. Plus, he is no longer the new hotness. In addition, he has shown zero ability to reach out to black voters, and has made zero attempt to increase his stable of surrogates. On top of this,. there were a lot of folks in 2016 who thought there was no chance in hell of Trump winning no matter what, so they were willing to roll the dice on someone like Bernie whose General elect-ability wasn't forefront. I think 8 out of 10 dems main thought is going to be who has the best chance at winning. (This is something we saw with Obama/Hillary in 2008. Once people saw that Obama could actually win, Hillary's support started to erode a bit. Also, 2008 had a lot of Bush-Clinton fatigue. People complaining about the whole "dynasty" thing, even though Hillary was experienced in her own right, but whatever)
Bernie, like Biden, is at near 100% name recognition. The idea that his support is so soft it can just deflect to other candidates, and he can get it back if/when he announces is not a great argument imo. He has Warren who will attack him from his left flank, he has Beto who is the newness, and he has still done nothing to ingratiate himself with the establishment who, like it or not, is the vast majority of the party.
Also, I do not think he is a good fit for the 2020 electorate. There isn't going to be a single serious candidate who isn't going to be campaigning on things like M4A, "free" college, $15 minimum wage, etc. You don't get credit for having the idea first, it's just who has it best and in the best package. Also, he has a ton of baggage that no one has ever touched on a national stage. His stance (and comments) on guns will be used heavily, as will his vote (and cosponsoring a bill) to send nuclear waste out of Vermont and to a poor Latinx community in Texas. That's not even touching his praise of Castro (which will doom him in FL again), the whole "went to the Soviet Union on his honeymoon," his wifes problematic involvement in falsifying documents to get a loan for her school....these things will actually be brought up this time.
Plus, the calendar in 2020 isn't friendly to him.
And to be clear, while I loathe the man, I would vote for him in 2020, but I would literally complain the entire fucking time.
I mean, at least their little Jesus baby is trending toward a more historically accurate skin tone? 🤷♂️
Alternatively, the first generation of legal immigrants acts like they getting here is no big deal, even though they don't have a clue what it takes.
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