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US PoliERA 2019 |OT1| You down wit' NDP? (Yeah you know me!) Who's down wit' AOC? (This whole party!)
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5 billion for border security. Trump will be too proud to take it. Especially if the dems..get out the message that there is NO WALL included...
Never negotiating with terrorists cant work when terrrorists run half of the democratic system youre in.. So the dems were always going to be the responsible adults in the room. Theyre the only ones. The checks and balances on power need to be revisited. One branch has taken the country hostage and is shutting down the government well after they had 2 years to address this issue. Their own party couldnt agree. Thats a major flaw.
The dems were always going to be seen as caving. Because they actually want the government and democracy tp happen. The gop has proven every opportunity they get, that they hate the basic idea of democracy. Like voting. Thats the base level right there.
Never negotiating with terrorists cant work when terrrorists run half of the democratic system youre in.. So the dems were always going to be the responsible adults in the room. Theyre the only ones. The checks and balances on power need to be revisited. One branch has taken the country hostage and is shutting down the government well after they had 2 years to address this issue. Their own party couldnt agree. Thats a major flaw.
The dems were always going to be seen as caving. Because they actually want the government and democracy tp happen. The gop has proven every opportunity they get, that they hate the basic idea of democracy. Like voting. Thats the base level right there.
You're opening convo was this: "I never get any driver anything other than 5 stars and I doubt I ever will."
And went on to include reductive statements such as "What power does a Lyft driver has in our society? What exactly are you achieving when you fuck that person economically? "
and "As I said multiple times, I generally hate systems where employees compensation is directly tied to costumers feedback, and if we're talking here in the context of improving the Lyft service then sure, do what you want, I refuse to participate in that game, but that's not really what we're talking about here.
I mean, no one would have called me a racist sympathizer because I give five stars for people who drive a dirty car, right?
Which lead me back to my question of what the fuck are you trying achieve here?
Is your vision of America is one where Republicans and Democrats just don't engage each other with any economic activity?"
People have clearly expressed their concerns and have given you feedback anyway. You certainly don't have to agree with them, but demanding an ultimatum from them regarding party and economics, especially during a time where the President of the United States has clearly expressed that very thing and is using his positions to wield the economic damage you claim people in this thread are all for, is bordering on disingenuous.
It's time to move on from this. Thank you.
So do you not know what you're trying to achieve with that or you do know, and you just don't want to tell me?
Should I ask that question in capital letters?
Can you at least explain to me why won't you answer that?
p.s.
I don't think racism is irrelevant in the face of economic cause, and while I'm trying to remain civil here, I'm kinda getting tired of being accused of such bullshit just because I'm not behind your slacktivist campaign of giving 1 star to Lyft drivers who are suspected of voting Republican.
I hope people who argue about "good" billionaires see this crap. They are billionaires for a reason they ruined and short changed a ton of people to get there.
Right into AOCs social media trap. Can't wait for her response with these ghouls laughing it up a a rich getaway.
I think if the clean CR vote fails on Thursday there needs to be a massive revolt by federal workers. Likewise if it does pass, Trump vetoes and it can't get overridden.
So you still won't tell what you're trying to achieve with that?
Look at how many words you pour just to not answer that simple question.
Can you at least tell me why you won't tell me what you're trying to achieve with that?
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The only thing I tried to achieved here is to articulate why I don't like that type of political action, it's kinda weird that you quoted my explanations and then also wondered why I don't explain anything.
Do you not understand what I said or just don't agree?
To quote (paraphrase) Daniel Handler (aka Lemony Snicket), stories in which the wealthiest of society stand on rooftops and laugh at the poor commoners below often don't end well.
So you can't tell me because you already told me before?
Can you point exactly where because I don't really see it.
Or you know, you could just repeat your position, I did repeat my position 10 times in this thread already, I mean you don't have to, but it's a nicer way to have a discussion.
If Dems are giving 5 billion for border security, there better be some sweeteners in there like daca protections with pathway to citizenship.
AOC: it's immoral to have a system that allows billionaires when some people in the richest country in the world still get ringworm from inadequate infrastructure
Billionaires: *opens mouth*:
Billionaires: *opens mouth*:
No. Because the rhetorical tactic of repeatedly demanding the person you're engaged with restate their point while continuously repeating your own is just a method for avoiding having to engage with the point they are making.
It's transparent as fuck and it ain't cute.
She was incredibly shrewd to pick 70% and 10 Million for the bracket.
The top bracket was 216k before Reagan's bullshit, i'd argue that was too low.
At 10 million, If you understand the basics of marginal taxes and still argue strongly against it you look like an ass.
Bill Gates does a lot of great charitable work. The problem is that charity is no substitute for taxation, as Gates is well aware.
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Really man?
It's one sentence, just tell me what you're trying to achieve with that. Are you really going to make a principled stance about keeping the goals of that a secret?
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Maybe I just can't read well enough, English is not my first language after all, so if anyone else in that tread managed to see where The Adder articulate the goals of that action, can they please point that out to me?
Assuming of course it doesn't go against your deep personal beliefs of [checks note] not clarifying one's positions.
Sounds to me like he successfully moved the needle. Just in the wrong direction.
Joe Biden can go in the same pile as Beto. Helping elect Republicans is absolutely unacceptable.
I hope stuff like this gets brought up during the debates.
People have repeatedly told you their motivations and you've continued to repeatedly state they aren't telling you. To the point a model has called you on it. All the while refusing to engage with the rest of what anyone is saying.
So no, I won't indulge your willful obtuseness.
this is gonna sound weird but what if instead of complaining about OT in this safe space y'all just destroyed bad arguments like the good ol' days
Politics is hard yoHahaha, this damn shutdown compromise etcetra thread...
Bill Gates' philanthropic efforts have largely rehabilitated his image but the origins of his fortune came from ruthless, illegal business practices. On the whole, he's done significant good but I don't think he's ever been some great champion of the middle-class.
There's some interesting implications here. This is a game of inches. Trump only really has room for movement amongst Republicans. If Republican approval numbers drop 10 points, he's only going to go down a few in the overall number. But it actually means the bottom is dropping out. We can't expect the overall nber to drop more than like ten points even if he's removed from office.
Honestly, I'd give a 1-star rating to anyone that had any kind of obviously partisan talk radio or podcast on in my Uber or Lyft - left or right. When you're driving for either of those services your car is no longer your personal space but a place of business in which you are serving clients. It's the same reason I take umbrage to waiting rooms having TVs tuned to tv news channels.
Inserted the title of the article, first time linking an article, so forgive my repost.
My favorite quote? "I'm schlepping around in somebody's Civic."
Bill Gates dropping a Commie-bomb on critics of ultra-capitalism eh?
I'm not angry, just disappointed.
I'm not angry, just disappointed.
I'm torn about the offer.
-on the one hand, Trump's base probably won't go for it anyway, so it might just be a gambit to make him look unreasonable; and if McConnel can refuse to pass a continuing CR that he actually passed to end this shutdown, we can always Change our minds later.
-Trump's numbers are in free-fall, as are Republicans'. The longer this shutdown goes on, the easier it will be to impeach or beat him in 2020. It's the only thing that's made a dent in his conservative/Republican support, the voters we most need to peel off to impeach.
-I'm not saying we should cynically prolong the shutdown for political gain, but if it's putting that much hurt on Trump, why shouldn't we hold out for a complete cave on his part?
-okay, maybe I am saying that. Either he caves, and his presidency is over, or he lets the shutdown last for months, and his presidency is over. The only way Trump emerges from this as anything but a lame duck is if congressional Democrats bail him out. Given how much suffering his administration has inflicted, it might be the least bad option.
-The game theoretic implications of compromise are terrible. You don't negotiate with terrorists. Trump has inflicted a breathtaking amount of squandered misery on the American people to try to pass a racist project that's less popular than Nixon was on the eve of his resignation. If he gets even a scintilla of utility out of it, we'll be here again, whether it's Trump or another irresponsible Republican.
-Okay, I've written a lot about the reasons to dislike the deal, but there are plenty of obvious reasons to want it. People are starting to have difficulty making ends meet. If it goes on for too long, it could deal structural damage to the economy, with businesses in DC and other areas that rely on federal money shutting down. People can't get the federal benefits they need. They're talking about downgrading our credit rating, and for good reason. God only knows what happens if we're still shut down when the debt ceiling comes around. The costs of not ending the shutdown could be catastrophic.
So I guess my only reaction in the end is a giant shrug emoji.
-on the one hand, Trump's base probably won't go for it anyway, so it might just be a gambit to make him look unreasonable; and if McConnel can refuse to pass a continuing CR that he actually passed to end this shutdown, we can always Change our minds later.
-Trump's numbers are in free-fall, as are Republicans'. The longer this shutdown goes on, the easier it will be to impeach or beat him in 2020. It's the only thing that's made a dent in his conservative/Republican support, the voters we most need to peel off to impeach.
-I'm not saying we should cynically prolong the shutdown for political gain, but if it's putting that much hurt on Trump, why shouldn't we hold out for a complete cave on his part?
-okay, maybe I am saying that. Either he caves, and his presidency is over, or he lets the shutdown last for months, and his presidency is over. The only way Trump emerges from this as anything but a lame duck is if congressional Democrats bail him out. Given how much suffering his administration has inflicted, it might be the least bad option.
-The game theoretic implications of compromise are terrible. You don't negotiate with terrorists. Trump has inflicted a breathtaking amount of squandered misery on the American people to try to pass a racist project that's less popular than Nixon was on the eve of his resignation. If he gets even a scintilla of utility out of it, we'll be here again, whether it's Trump or another irresponsible Republican.
-Okay, I've written a lot about the reasons to dislike the deal, but there are plenty of obvious reasons to want it. People are starting to have difficulty making ends meet. If it goes on for too long, it could deal structural damage to the economy, with businesses in DC and other areas that rely on federal money shutting down. People can't get the federal benefits they need. They're talking about downgrading our credit rating, and for good reason. God only knows what happens if we're still shut down when the debt ceiling comes around. The costs of not ending the shutdown could be catastrophic.
So I guess my only reaction in the end is a giant shrug emoji.
Thats already happening.
Nevermind the teenage ass THE ESTABLISHMENT cries
I would argue that a large part of Gate's second life as a philanthropist is an attempt to keep the world in it's current status quo. He is making the argument that the super rich got super rich because of their moral superiority and giant brains and so they are the only ones who should be looked to to solve the world's problems. The entire thing is an argument that the world needs more income equality to improve because then the right people will have it.
I would have thought these people would take her more seriously given her popularity. Then again, when you're at the top for so long it's hard to take anyone else seriously.
I've heard for a while about how horrid Sheila Jackson Lee is, but it seems like she might finally be facing some consequences:
They think she is a fad. They think she (and all young people) will fall in line and become conservative when she gets older.
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