I would say regardless of any planned action, the FAA doesn't want any American civilian airliners accidentally shot down.
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US forces in Iraq under attack from Iranian cruise missiles. [IMPORTANT STAFF POST]
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I would say regardless of any planned action, the FAA doesn't want any American civilian airliners accidentally shot down.
glad to hear no U.S. troops were killed, hopefully it means that cooler heads prevail in this shitshow of an administration.
Hoping nothing more happens in the region because the people if Irak deserve a break. I recall Trump supporting the riot in Teheran recently, so I hope he understands normal people are not at fault because of power hungry military people. I hope Iran understands that too.
Even if this is not a "global" war, it will affect us all.
Even if this is not a "global" war, it will affect us all.
I think we need to stop framing descalation as cowardice. Even if we think it might be. It's not good to imply not bombing the shit out of another country is cowardly.
Hopefully it all cools down and we can get to the end of 2020 peacefully so this pos trash can finally be gone.
it would be political suicide to say there should be descalation before we know anything regarding casualties. If u.s. soldiers happened to be dead then any politician that says nothing should be done about it would be kissing their career goodbye.
I hope that we just don't do anything. If Iran is right by their word they won't do anything back if it all stops. I'm just trying to be hopeful.
This shit sucks.
I actually hadn't considered how this would be affecting any US civilians in the area
They probably did take his phone. The proof is that he hasn't posted how "Crappy looSer IraN can't hit anything with their PUNY mizles."
Honestly, it's a distinction without a difference.
Either way it unifies and strengthens the regime. Feeds nationalism, pride, and anger.
Iran's supreme leader says US may harm Iran — but they harm themselves many times more
From CNN's Artemis Moshtaghian
In an undated video shared by Iran's semi-official Fars News, Iran's supreme leader is seen addressing a large crowd saying that the US may harm Iran — but they will harm themselves many times more.
Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khameneii added: "I said during a speech at the time [of President Obama's presidency], that the time for hit-and-run is over. If you hit, you get hit back."
From CNN's Artemis Moshtaghian
In an undated video shared by Iran's semi-official Fars News, Iran's supreme leader is seen addressing a large crowd saying that the US may harm Iran — but they will harm themselves many times more.
Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khameneii added: "I said during a speech at the time [of President Obama's presidency], that the time for hit-and-run is over. If you hit, you get hit back."
so did iran basically attack specific places where they knew there would likely be no casualties? seems like this might of been a bit of chest thumping by iran while not directly trying to start a war. don't like that they want to play chicken with a psycho in the white house.
This. People act like Biden isn't an experienced politician. He knows how to handle situations like this. You don't come out hot on a situation like this without all the facts as it can easily backfire in a number of ways. There are ways to do this and do it well.
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Both Americans and Iraqis have no deaths. All missiles missed the target or shot down by air defense missile.
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From my understanding they're just rockets working off a parabola, like, no guidance, so kind of a spray and pray attack.
Apparently they gave him a menu of options, using that one as the one to make the other ones look more palatable.....And he chose it.
One narrative says Pompeo has helped prime the pump though for years.
So they straight up lobbed them in a semi-random direction?
This.
Trump is a coward but you know what cowards do...they sit back in complete safety and send other people to die without risking themselves.
which he isn't going to do unless he has all the facts and we do not have all the facts yet. If u.s. soldiers are dead then he cannot say that.
Here's the link. I have no idea how to insert the twitter link.
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I think it's important to remember that we Americans fucking love killing folks especially if they're on the browner side
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Uh... this doesn't sound like a very credible source. I mean, they're using exclamation points?
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Uh... this doesn't sound like a very credible source. I mean, they're using exclamation points?
Likely because they think Iran will be (is) attacking back a greater military power that will strike back excessively. They see it as futile attempt that will only give the US more reason to start a war. An important fact here, though, is that there are no American deaths. Important for the US and for Trump. If there were, that would be enough for Trump to retaliate strongly, bringing us into full blown war and the eventual death of Iran's government, which the Iranians certainly do not want.
Looking from Iran's perspective, they don't want war, but they can't let a high ranking military commander's assassination go without hitting back. It's a calculated risk, just like it was with Trump starting this shit in the first place. The best case scenario is that there will be no further attacks, or very limited attacks...beWe can all hope that happens, but I personally don't see it. Trump has the ball in his court now, so yeah...
If I'm Trump, I'd listen to the person telling him that so far this retaliation is "nothing" and that if the price to pay for the murder of Iran's general is a few Iraqi deaths, that would be a damn good deal for any president to take right now. That, compared to the casualties that a long, miserable war would bring, is a massive difference. It's already fucked that Iraqi soldiers died for this shit and Trump's sensibilities for the kind of deescalation that must happen and happen quickly, doesn't give me any hope.
Without a full explanation/competent defense for the assassination by the US, it's really difficult to predict what Trump/US are thinking. What it looks like is that there is no coherent plan and that Trump already has blood on his hands for Iraqi's casualties and likely the deaths of many more coming.
The only thing that gives me hope is that Trump knows a war is something he definitely would want to deal with...but he's also desperate for a second term...Frightening times for the innocent people that Trump has forced in this mess. I wish I had better words, but stay safe.
I hope this is accurate. If it is then both countries might stop and take steps to de-escalate which would certainly be nice.
Iran could definitely hit all the US bases in their immediate vicinity (Iraq, UAE, Bahrain, Qatar) and probably Saudi too pretty accurately.
This strike will allow Iran to save face, while hopefully not killing anyone.
This strike will allow Iran to save face, while hopefully not killing anyone.
This is only talking about one base while the attack was on multiple.
It has been said that both Pompeo and Pence pushes Trump in that direction.
Were they just shooting dirt though? Wasn't there an Iraqi causality? However, I suppose it is possible the Iraqi military member got hurt in the panic and wasn't really hit by the damage caused by a missile.
Lots of reports cited here and elsewhere from correspondents in the middle east stating no American casualties. Seems reasonable to assume that sending dozens of cruise missiles against static troop positions without incurring a single death is a relatively non-aggressive act of face saving on the the side of the Iran. I'd put money on this being the end of the conflict.
No one knows how Trump will react obviously, but retired military figures (like Petraeus- interesting inteview here: Foreign Policy interview with Petraeus) are painting this as an unequivocal win, so it's not unreasonable to assume that's the advice he'll be given by his generals. The appearance of victory seems to be the guy's primary motivation in life.
No one knows how Trump will react obviously, but retired military figures (like Petraeus- interesting inteview here: Foreign Policy interview with Petraeus) are painting this as an unequivocal win, so it's not unreasonable to assume that's the advice he'll be given by his generals. The appearance of victory seems to be the guy's primary motivation in life.