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US Era, do you have an exit strategy?
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When I was with my ex, who made fantastic money in a highly sought-after field, I had hope to move with him to Canada or some such, seeing as I'm a targeted minority. However, despite early agreement, he mostly showed no enthusiasm for leaving the place we were at, so plans didn't go much of anywhere. Now that he's dumped me, I'm too poor to afford to move anywhere and cannot work due to disability. So whatever happens, I'm stuck here.
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I'm not going to lie, our urgency to leave was definitely influenced by watching The Handmaid's Tale recently. Like, I don't think the US will become Gilead or anything. But it's not crazy to think we may end up inching closer to it, especially when it comes to a woman's right to choose. As the father of two daughters, I don't want them to have grow up and live in a place like that.
Nope. I'll be damned if I'm going to leave any marginalized community to suffer. There will be plenty of people who can't leave and I plan on helping them. If there's a time to put my beliefs in practice, it's now when it's needed the most.
I don't fault anyone for wanting to leave.
I don't fault anyone for wanting to leave.
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One good thing about the US is you are allowed to still continue voting even if you are living abroad as a dual citizen. We've already voted by mail in this election and we absolutely intend to keep voting in US elections as long as mail-in ballots continue to be accepted.
Trump losing will be nice, and man am I looking forward to breathing easier for a few years, but Trump still has supporters even after all this. And honestly I feel like he's only doing this poorly because a pandemic happened to strike at exactly the wrong time for him.
The next Republican candidate might not quite have Trump's flair for shit-stirring, but he'll also not be so completely incompetent at everything else. So I dunno, we're definitely not out of the woods. And with the SCOTUS in GOP hands for a few decades, possibly deciding to go all in on overturning any sort of progressive legislation... The nightmare might be over soon, but things can still be pretty scary IMO.
Already executed it. Got my US citizenship a couple of years ago to ensure I could return at any point and got a job that moved me back to Spain after 20 years in the US.
It was the best decision Ive made in a long time.
It was the best decision Ive made in a long time.
I can empathize with your deontological perspective but if you and your loved ones are in active danger I don't think you're morally obligated to sacrifice yourselves just to vote in what's already a pretty shitty representative democracy.
If some Trump supporters break into my house after the election to lynch me someone please for the love of god backup my PS4 saves onto a external harddrive
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How is living in Spain? We are still trying to decide where to permanently settle once we have our Italian passports. Not sure if we will stay in Italy or move somewhere else in the EU.
I just auditioned for 90 Day Fiancé: The Other Way.
Jokes aside, realistically I can't escape this country so I can only hope my city is liberal enough not to be the epicenter of racist bullshit and if it isn't, move to a US city that is. Besides, even if I could get out of this country, I'd be leaving my family behind to deal with this shit alone which I won't do.
Jokes aside, realistically I can't escape this country so I can only hope my city is liberal enough not to be the epicenter of racist bullshit and if it isn't, move to a US city that is. Besides, even if I could get out of this country, I'd be leaving my family behind to deal with this shit alone which I won't do.
Yes. Also there's a folder on my computer I need someone to delete without looking at what's inside.
Plus those militias aren't going to be coming for white liberals.
Because that is what's happening. No President has lost re-election when the economy was good, it has always been in a time of economic crisis where change occurred.
Its my home country and I got to move to Barcelona on a California salary so its amazing.
Any country in Europe could fit the bill depending on your goals. Spain is amazing but Im sure Italy can be quite comfortable
There very likely won't be any kind of civil war or revolution. Americans forget how much power is truly held by the rich in this country. They would not allow a revolution or civil war and a few thousand people taking part in protests in several large cities are not going to change that. if tump wins what will happen is a continued steady decline. that's it.
having said that i completely understand moving. i myself am moving but for reasons other than "escaping US". expecting people to stay and "fight" for their country is misguided. let people do what they feel is best for them and their family. but of course let them know if their stated plans are unrealistic or foolish/bound to fail.
having said that i completely understand moving. i myself am moving but for reasons other than "escaping US". expecting people to stay and "fight" for their country is misguided. let people do what they feel is best for them and their family. but of course let them know if their stated plans are unrealistic or foolish/bound to fail.
Four years in the army just to get up and run? Nah, I'll get my family to move to Mexico. My husband and his mom can join them but my ass is staying. I'll be damn if I'm going to let some nazi, home grown terrorist, maggots run me out. Bad thing is I'll stand out since I'm a little on the browner side but hey this homo is not running.
Nope.
My family and I don't have the privilege to have an "exit strategy."
And even if we did, I think I'd let them go somewhere and stay safe, while I'd stay here and join the resistance or something.
My family and I don't have the privilege to have an "exit strategy."
And even if we did, I think I'd let them go somewhere and stay safe, while I'd stay here and join the resistance or something.
I could have sworn this law changed to require your direct to be a citizen still.
Not to be the typical European in these threads taking cheap shots at the situation in the US, but if you want somebody to talk to when you are over here, drop a PM.
The problem is that human brains are shit for proportion.
People: your loved ones are going to die. You're going to suffer then die. Guaranteed! 1000%.
Compared to that, a budding dictatorship is nothing. Gotta stay and fight the whole way down.
Maybe in 200 years, they'll make a Hamilton-style play about ERA's founding fathers.
Who wants to be in a play?
People: your loved ones are going to die. You're going to suffer then die. Guaranteed! 1000%.
Compared to that, a budding dictatorship is nothing. Gotta stay and fight the whole way down.
Maybe in 200 years, they'll make a Hamilton-style play about ERA's founding fathers.
Who wants to be in a play?
Yeah, this is true. I looked into it when Trump won the election.
90 day fiancee but it's Americans trying to flee the USA. I'd watch it!
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There are some caveats that apply. I don't remember all the details but your ancestors have to not have renounced their citizenship before or after a certain date. We thankfully qualified for citizenship but not all Italian-Americans would.
But worth looking into, IMO, for any Americans with Italian heritage. You don't even need to move to Italy. You can apply at a consulate in the US, although you are looking at a year wait for an appointment and then another 2-3 years for the paperwork to process. Moving to Italy gets it done a lot faster, but is obviously a huge life change not everyone can afford.
Fuck Donald Trump. Fuck the Republican party. Fuck white supremacists. This is my country and I'm ready to fight these fuckers until one of us is gone. As a straight white man it is incumbent upon me to utilize all 3 of those privileges to fight for everyone else. Could not give less of a flying fuck about these Proud Boy coward motherfuckers.
It'd fun to think about, but making that decision is hard
I could move to the UK, Aus, NZ, or Ireland tomorrow with my passports and stay there forever. But uprooting your life is a huge undertaking itself, let alone the immigration legalities.
That is probably why I will stay. I don't really believe in this country and it's not my first choice, but my friends, family, school and job are all here.
I could move to the UK, Aus, NZ, or Ireland tomorrow with my passports and stay there forever. But uprooting your life is a huge undertaking itself, let alone the immigration legalities.
That is probably why I will stay. I don't really believe in this country and it's not my first choice, but my friends, family, school and job are all here.
That explains it. At one point my dad dropped his and reapplied later but it doesn't carry the same weight
That said, Italy ain't no prized gem either. Economics aren't great and boy are they racists. Oh and corrupt as fuck
Wow just up and leaving? It's kind of privileged to think everyone can leave. We hang in there and not let our country fall to hate.
If we have to stay in our homes then we need to support our neighbors and communities.
no fearmongering
If we have to stay in our homes then we need to support our neighbors and communities.
no fearmongering
Yes, I'll be leaving. I don't think people truly grasp what's at stake in this election. There's no coming back in our lifetimes from a second term of Trump.
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I read your post before you edited and thought it was well said, FWIW.
thanks! I hope whatever you decide to do works out for you and the fam.
God help them if they type "nh" into my search bar 🙊
How do you propose we "come back" at all if everyone just up and leaves?
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Yeah, I made my post about being fearful about the upcoming election but that isn't the only reason we want to leave. The US is just not a great country to live in, by many metrics. And I don't see it improving much in the near future, due to entrenched ideologies and systems.
You don't seem to understand me when I said there's no coming back. Your assumption is that we could.