If I remember correctly the prime of minister of Iraq was informed. He said that he wanted to stop the USA from doing so, but they did not listen to him.
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US Department of Defense confirms it targeted/killed Qasem Soleimani, commander of Iran's Quds Force, outside Baghdad Airport
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General Soleimani was a "bad guy" and no one in their right mind would cry for him but what the US did 2 days ago in an unprovoked act of evil in itself.
The retaliatory airstrikes are already underway as I type, so none of this matter now. The US just started a hot war on foreign soil:
The retaliatory airstrikes are already underway as I type, so none of this matter now. The US just started a hot war on foreign soil:
It's extremely relevant, Iraq is a country split on sectarian and tribal lines. I would bet that my friends and their family who all hail from Kadhimiyya(and some of them currently live there) have a completely different read on the situation than you do.
This isn't a Sunni and Shia thing, the cities that protests have been happening are all Shia cities, it's the Shia that speak against Iran's intervention, Sunnis were already against them so it wouldn't make a difference.
And how is his bias any different than your bias as a (presumably) left-leaning America who hates Trump and Republicans?
By the way this isn't about attacking you or your views. It's just that the "you're biased" argument is useless: we're all biased by our experiences and background. His views as a (presumably) Sunni Iraqi aren't rendered invalid just because his life experience led him to those views, just as your life experience led you to yours.
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yeah, just like the US wasn't going to "destroy" Iraq unless Iraq did something incredibly stupid like have weapons of... oh, wait...
i think you'll find that's actually the US
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I'm Kurdish btw, I pretty much have no stake in this fight (hell some would also label me as a traitor) other than hoping for a better country, one that benefits its people instead of others.
That was pre-US illegal extra judicial killing. The situation has completely changed in both Iran and Iraq the past 48 hours. You have to realize that not everyone was either in the Pro-Iran or pro-US side, I'd say most Iraqis were actually ambivalent about either side and most likely distrusted both, but the assassination has changed the situation and I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those people in the middle have now chosen a side(I would guess against the US).
I suggest looking at Iran from Google maps to see how big it and Iraq are. Iraq further has a war going on at the western border due to Syria.
This is exactly how I wanted to spend the first weekend of the year. Studying borders and reading up on the last comparable conflict:
The agressor roles were "reversed" the last time, which will make the new conflict only worse.
This is exactly how I wanted to spend the first weekend of the year. Studying borders and reading up on the last comparable conflict:
The agressor roles were "reversed" the last time, which will make the new conflict only worse.
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Which illegal killing? Of Soleimani and Al Muhandis? 2 people which were responsible for killing hundreds of Iraqis? People couldn't care less about them, the protesters didn't become pro Iran when hashid soldiers were killed in an airstrike before those and sure as hell won't do now for criminals, they also aren't pro US but US killing these militia leaders are welcomed, they are pro Iraq only and don't want their country to be a war zone between Iran and US.
The one thing this assassination did was unite the pro Iranian and anti Iranian shia factions in Iraq.
They are calling for the expulsion of the US from Iraq, if not politically then by violence. Either way Iran gets what they want. Trump's shortsighted decision was an L for regular Iraqis any way you look at it.
And if we're talking about anecdotal experience, every Iraqi I know is either extremely angry or worried about the consequences of this assassination.
Also, neither Trump or US brass give a shit about Iraqis. This was literally the "far out" option the Pentagon gave Trump, and he decided to do it because it might give him political points. Dude's in Florida right now playing golf.
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All militia leaders in Iraq were pro Iran already, Muqtada himself visits Iran every once in a while, of course they are worried because these idiot militia leaders are gonna turn the country into a war zone for Iran.
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The protests were mainly about people being tired of the rampant corruption going on and because none of the reforms which were promised back in Abadi's administration hadn't been implemented with the same corrupt people holding position in the government. Iranian influence wasn't even one of the big points of the protests until you had rogue elements, both from security officers, militias and protesters causing trouble which then lead to anti-Iranian protests. Either way it was never primarily about Iran but about the average joe in Iraq wanting basic fucking rights which they weren't getting despite all money from oil. Only US and the white man's media and people like you spouting their propaganda said it was about Iran. I don't expect less about someone who didn't mind US bombing young men from half across the country fighting in the frontline against ISIS at the Syrian border (they didn't only kill them but ISF as well). You talk so much about Iranian interference (which yes is very real and quite bad enough) that you forget US violated Iraq's sovereignity when the prime minister asked them to not carry out an air strike and wait for Iraq to find the responsible actor since there was no proof the militia did it (especially when the area is rife with ISIS activity and they fire rockets at bases all time). Then they violated it again by not only assassinating a high profile foreign official at an official invation by the government in a civilian airport (you know...an airport used by civilians from your own country you claim to care about) but also a very high profile member in Iraq's own governemnt which the US claims to be an ally of. Yet you have the nerve to talk about Iranian interference in Iraq. Fuck off with that bullshit and take your Kurdish nationalist anti-Shia Sunni supremacy talking points with you. The average joe here is not familiar with your talking points but I know exactly what you stand for, you guys are easier to spot than a typical right-wing extremists in the western world. It doesn't matter how much you hide behind "I'm an Iraqi "(which you probably don't see yourself as like the majority of Kurds in Iraq) and "I live here". I see right through you.
FYI, pro-Iran militias aside, now you have the prime minister + politicians on most spectrums, anti-govt protesters, media, ppl interviewed on the streets, Iraqi media, Sistani (who is generally very much against Iranian influence) and non-Iranian backed PMU factions, nationalistic movements and even the Mufti mourning the death of them and calling them martyrs. Guess the protesters one don't fit your narrative very much does it? Considering how united the response seem to be from all factions in the country I guess that means Iraq will be out real Iraqis soon for you, woops! Go apply for US citizenship and enlist for their terrorist military since you love them so much. Meanwhile the rest of us hope to get some peace and not have these two countries destroy an already extremely fragile staiblity after the defeat of ISIS.
Regards,
A fellow Iraqi living much of his time in Iraq.
Incredibly stupid and they'd have to be very careful since this could alienate ISF and cause division among them.
Im not talking about breaking term limits, Obama has committed war crimes.
Im not talking about the militia leaders, Im talking about the political parties (which have militias themselves). You probably already know this, but the militias and politicians in Iraq are intrinsically tied. Many of them were very much against Iran's influence in the country, that is not so anymore.
It's not a general view. He's adopting typical talking points used by many Kurds and neo-Baathists which robs Iraqis (mainly Shia) of having any kind of agency or capability to think for their own interest or whom they want to form alliance with. It's deeply rooted in a Sunni supremacy ideology which has always regarded Shia Arabs as puppets of Iran or "Persians" or other derogatory terms which also happen to be the same view groups like AQ, Al Nusrah and ISIS have. It's how they've been able to justify oppression and genocide for centuries of them in the post-Islamic Arab world. If you're not against Iran you're an Iranian puppet or a Persian or a Safavid (this is how many Iraqi Shia were killed or deported to Iran by Saddam), and if you're against them you're one of the "good ones" (and you'll be used as disposable trash). Not making any excuses for Iranian inteference in Iraq btw, it's there and exists in many ways but you're never going to get fully rid of it. We're neighbors, share thousands of years of history together which includes religion and culture to some extent as well as demographics to a lesser extent. Iraq will always influence Iran and Iran will always influence Iraq, it's just that Iran happens to be the stronger one around this time.
Oh no guess I'm not a real Iraqi now for calling you out on your BS. Carry on.
What? You linked an article talking about people that were and remain pro Iran, who are these people that were against Iran?
yeah, i'm well aware at the racism and marginalization that goes on against shias in other countries. they've been so marginalized in the past that now some see them reclaiming some relevancy in the societies that they're hardly minorities in as a threat.
Yes those illegal killings. And those are not my words, they were stated by the UN special rapporteur for extra-judicial executions.
The airstrikes were of a far lower magnitude than what happened on Friday, and creating a war zone between the two countries in Iraq is exactly what the US did by assassinating a uniformed Iranian general in Iraq, a country where both nations are already heavy entrenched in.
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uhhh read the article again.
Not to mention Sistani and other anti-Iranian clerics coming out against the US. Just because you want to live in your own reality doesn't make it real.
Not real Iraqis obviously, going by his own logic anyway. Not sure how he's gonna spin around anti-Iranian factions coming out against US but I'm sure he'll have an explanation.
The Gulf War was a direct after-product of the 80s Iran - Iraq War. Another factor to consider. We are already off to the bombing of a US base and the less direct bombing of a US embassy in Iraq. We may get a mixture of both wars at once if this goes on. Trump clearly wants this conflict and can just go around congress (or whatever) it seems, so we are fucked ladies and gentlemen. I am hardly an expert but this is the last thing the wider region needed.
I wonder how ISIS will take this one. Remnants should remain around Syria and Iraq. Trump´s cabinet came close to picking the worst target possible.
Edit: Ayatollah Ali Khamenei literally said "death to Trump" last year. This is how bad this is:
I wonder how ISIS will take this one. Remnants should remain around Syria and Iraq. Trump´s cabinet came close to picking the worst target possible.
Edit: Ayatollah Ali Khamenei literally said "death to Trump" last year. This is how bad this is:
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Again, not a single name in that article was anti Iran in any shape or form.
ياخويه الإيرانيين ذيولهم هواي بالعراق أبد ميرتاح هلبلد.
https://en.mehrnews.com/news/154076...ry-action-is-a-military-action-Takht-Ravanchi
"TEHRAN, Jan. 04 (MNA) – Iran's Ambassador to the United Nations Majid Takht-Ravanchi said that the United States has ignited a military war that will be responded by Iran's military action."
Welp
"TEHRAN, Jan. 04 (MNA) – Iran's Ambassador to the United Nations Majid Takht-Ravanchi said that the United States has ignited a military war that will be responded by Iran's military action."
Welp
I really doubt Iran's own military will attack the US, but that would be something if it happened.
So let me get this straight, you said this:
Yet every shia political, military and clerical leader coming out against the US, in support of Suleimani, with hundreds of thousands protesting and mourning in Baghdad, Najaf, Karabala. So according to you, the Shia cities were protesting Iran's influence yet now, most if not all, influential Shia leaders and cities support booting the US from the country, playing directly into Iran's interests? Not sure exactly the point your trying to prove here, but it seems like the big political, religious, and military factions in Iraq are now united.
He's likely talking figuratively not literally. Iran in no way wants war with the US nor in Iran itself. Iran talks brashly and in extremes similar to North Korea.
Your a fool if you think a Democratic Congress will declare war on baseless information. They country got pimped by bush since we were in our 9/11 feels
That's pretty much regular shit talk from the Iranian government. They would never respond directly with their military simply because to do so is suicide and would lead to Iranian leaders being either kicked out of power or pancaked. Above all else, the Iranian government is concerned with one thing and one thing only. Survival.
Is not only the extra judicial killings, is the consequences they have on sovereign territories & its citizens, all for the US interests.
Also, any US president is responsible for killing hundreds of inocents all over the world...Should we celebrate their assasination ? Illegal or not ?
I don't really understand you, what I said still holds true regardless if there were pro Iran movements recently, do you think every single citizen in those cities have the same views? No, did I say so? No, those military factions you are talking about were always with Iran.
لا أعرف اللغة العربية ، لكن حاول استخدام الترجمة من Google.
I'm tired of US imperialism and shit geopolitics. It's always about war, profits and endless suffering. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure my country (Canada) will send soldiers if a war breaks out becase we are allies. It hurts because this conflict is 100% political, i.e. Trump re-election in 2020. He's the worst US president in history bar none. He's also the symptom of a much larger problem: rampant racism and ignorance.
You haven't provided any sort of reference to support any of your claims.
Simple research about your claims on Sadr show what you said was incorrect:
This goes against all of Iran's interests.
Here's his comments/actions after Suleimani's assassination:
Yea...I'd rather believe award winning reporters who are experts on Iran and Iraq than some random dude on the internet claiming otherwise.
Chretien didn't send troops when W. started the current war in Iraq. (Harper was eager to do so.)
So then the general viewpoint of most Iraqis is that the US was unjustified? That's the viewpoint of a large group of Americans as well. I hope the talking heads on fox aren't seen as the End all be all to the American opinion on the subject.
I don't think there's any appetite, publicly or politically, in Canada to join Trump's foolish war that he ignited by pulling out of the JCPOA.
Canada sending troops would be political suicide for the Liberals. Token words of support is the only help that the US is getting from Canada on this.
Afterwards Harper even wrote a public apology letter in the media lol.
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