He isn't, though. Neither the president nor the supreme leader was killed. Them having strong feelings for him doesn't make him a head of state.
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US Department of Defense confirms it targeted/killed Qasem Soleimani, commander of Iran's Quds Force, outside Baghdad Airport
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I'm not pulling it out of my ass man, Trump literally said Obama would do that to get re-elected. Multiple times mind you, maybe its because thats what he would do?
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Trump is a fucking idiot that says stupid shit every day.
As if they care about the lives of soldiers lol. Soldier are nothing more than tools/property in these peoples eyes, whose entire purpose is to die for the military industrial complex if they said complex desired it so.
What the fuck is the tactical reasoning for this? Like, someone try to explain to me what their reasoning is beyond "war profits."
As others have said, its US Central Command, which is responsible for the middle east region.
You continue to prove that you're an absolute imbecile that has no idea what they're talking about, not to mention essentially confirming that you're either a shah or mujahideen supporter. Glad you showed your true colors.
You've repeatedly made laughable statements like claiming that the assassination of a general will dissuade current Iranian foreign policy. No country with a modicum of power would just sit back and say "oh man, guess we should knock it off" after the second most powerful member of their regime is killed while on official diplomatic business. The world does not work like a blockbuster movie you child.
According to you we should be taking out the heads of Saudi Arabia for the thousands they massacred during the Arab spring, while we're at it we should probably take out Xi for the concentration camps, oh and lets not forget Putin for all those war crimes in Ukraine! Get your head out of your ass and learn how the world works.
I'm not diminishing those killed during the protests but that you equate the deaths of 1500 people to war shows the depths of your ignorance. The last time the US instigated war with Iran a million fucking Iranians died, but oh no we need to start a regional military conflict to appease your power fantasy.
You've probably never even been to Iran, you don't give two shits about the bombs falling on their head. Just live in your little ignorant bubble and stop acting like you know up from down.
Just say the facts, will you? The US considers itself above everything and will brutally murder thousands or even millions far more readily than just about any other country in the world (China gives you a run for your money).
They've already spewed the usual bullshit of he was planning an imminent attack, blah blah blah...basically there wasn't any reasoning.
If iran is smart they'll wait with a response. Way too much focus on it.
Wait until the americans are distracted by something else and then hit them.
There is no reason to escalate now. Finish idlib and the syrian war and your powerbase from pakistan to israel is secured.
Wait until the americans are distracted by something else and then hit them.
There is no reason to escalate now. Finish idlib and the syrian war and your powerbase from pakistan to israel is secured.
So much for the promise by Trump to withdraw US troops from the region.
So is there any motivation for doing this at all? Is it pure whim, or is this really just a gigantic bribe to Bolton to keep his mouth shut because he got his war?
"Wiping Iran clean off the map" is such a sick, sick thought to have, and I'm positive it'll be what most Americans would want if Iran assassinated an American official. The American people's appetite for death and mass war crimes is sadly too large and disgusting.
No one man's sole death should ever lead to the death of tens of millions and the worst war crime and death toll we've ever seen.
No one man's sole death should ever lead to the death of tens of millions and the worst war crime and death toll we've ever seen.
Here's a really quick rundown on why those dang Iranians are all like "Death to America"!
https://theintercept.com/2019/11/20...ran-cables-u-s-empire-and-the-arc-of-history/
Shocking TL;DR its because global imperialist power which the US has been at the head of since the 50s has tried to ransack the country for oil throughout its history
https://theintercept.com/2019/11/20...ran-cables-u-s-empire-and-the-arc-of-history/
Shocking TL;DR its because global imperialist power which the US has been at the head of since the 50s has tried to ransack the country for oil throughout its history
Who the hell knows, I don't see the motivation but that's me...I mean any logically thinking human that has any grasp of this wouldn't either.
I see. Thanks for the info.As others have said, its US Central Command, which is responsible for the middle east region.
Of course not, they are racist as fuck, they probably think war with Iran is a good thing.
The irony about this, is that Trump made a video talking about Obama starting a war with Iraq back in 2011:
Let's see his ignorant fanbase of cultists defend/spin this shit & go to war for his ass.
Let's see his ignorant fanbase of cultists defend/spin this shit & go to war for his ass.
No, you needed to go to the streets this morning. At this point everyone knows american protests are performative garbage that prioritizes not upsetting things too much.
easy to explain, those suicide bombers are now in fear for their lives, so they'll try getting a new job. If you'd be an experienced 4D chess player, you'd know this.
Can you make up your mind?
You just got done attempting to argue against the notion I put forth that escalation to war seems more likely than not, now to win this argument you are talking about how America will quickly escalate in the extreme and glass Iran the moment they engage in a direct retaliation.
I think you really need to step back and absorb this and come back when you have a more cohesive understanding of this situation. Your arguments entirely contradictory and your points completely unclear.
Your speaking near nonsense and jumping all over the place
And also just getting basic facts wrong. He is essentielly their actual SecDef. And he was in official capacity with official passage by the Iraqi government when his assassination took place.
From what I've seen thus far, it's either boilerplate rally cries ("God Bless America! USA! USA! USA!) or ill-advised justification for a revenge killing. ("Obama and Bush gave him a free pass to kill Americans!").
(For what it's worth, an FB friend shared Trump's Obama/Iran tweets, and his Trump-supporting acquaintance just laughed.)
Maybe. But I don't think "assassinated our second highest position" gets you nearly the same leeway even if you happen to have the same kind of international influence the US does (especially if your nation isn't a white one).
But I do think they have a lot of room for response without admonition from other nations now that they didn't have before. It's why they're feeling confident enough to directly threaten soldier's if their terms aren't met now.
Maybe you should come back with a better understanding of what I was responding to. A poster brought up that some hard-liners want to either attack the US or target Trump. That is the post I responded to, and I explained why that isn't in any likelihood of happening. It had nothing to do why my response to your post. I'm capable of responding to two different comments, as are most people.
Something tells me the Bush Doctrine is going to get dusted off shortly.
Well it wasn't an imminent threat per se, but it prevented the possibility of a future imminent threat we think they may have been plotting to carry out at some time in the future.
I feel like this whole, "anything that pisses off the other side is a good thing" mentality is reaching critical mass.
I think Iran will probably let this blow over if they can do something to save face.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Praying_Mantis
If destroying half of the Iranian Navy (in their waters) didn't cause a war, then this probably won't either. I guess it comes down to whether or not the US wants it to escalate to something more dangerous.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Praying_Mantis
If destroying half of the Iranian Navy (in their waters) didn't cause a war, then this probably won't either. I guess it comes down to whether or not the US wants it to escalate to something more dangerous.
Since you've literally gone to just bashing me for no reason now two times in this thread. Instead of trying to you know like many others in this thread reply back with actual responses that try to change my opinion. Your consistent bashing does the exact opposite.
Is this quote of mine where I supposedly said that this would somehow persuade the current policy? No I said this would have scared the fuck out of these groups. I never said they would stop. I never said they would just give up.
You're just shoving words into my mouth at this point. I'm not a supporter of either of those two things, and yeah in a perfectly world everyone you mentioned should be put in jail. I know that's not how the world works lmao.
I'm just presenting these facts because some were trying to make it seem that this man had done no wrong and he had nothing bad against him.
I also never said America should start a war, (which I should point I don't actually even live in). Sure this can go pretty fucked and Iran and the US and probably a couple other countries can go to war, but right now nobody knows what they are talking about as a situation like this has never come up before. So all we can do is wait and see what happens.
Don't bother replying to me because I will not respond to you and your consistent berating, unless you magically figure out that's not how you talk to another human being.
Russia going for moral high ground again, Trump Administration keeps giving them these pitches.
Iran was in an incredibly weakened state at that point during the Iran-Iraq War and had a fraction of the regional/military capabilities they do today. There was no scenario they'd have pursued further action then. It's much different this time.
Basically yeah. The new issue now is that every player can see the US is completely irrationally aggressive. So who knows how it'll end up, because the US itself might start more and more weird shit.
I've asked you mutiple times to carry out the logical conclusion of your statements so far.
You simultaneously concede that Iran is likely to escalate, that America will escalate further, but claim, but can't seem to articulate, what magically stops this from escalating to war all things remaining equal, then go after other posters with the notion that Iran will be glassed if they directly retaliate.
make this cohesive for me buddy, because I'm struggling.
On the one hand you contest with me that people are overreacting in their concern for the cycle of escalation, then in a separate conversation claim the moment Iran escalates directly we will hyper escalate to literal genocidal war crimes.
I mean it's pretty much any time anything happens to Iran they do nothing and just wait, but who knows when that'll stop.
Highly unlikely:
Also Iran was already at war back then, with very limited resources. Literally everything has changed since then.
I dunno, I'd say the Sackler family is responsible for more US deaths.
You're delusional if you think so. Wait till the propaganda machine kicks in. Every conservative radio host and fox news will be beating the drums of war getting conservatives on board. Then your moderate news networks will start giving equal play to propaganda supporting war and the independents and moderates will slowly start supporting war. After a while more will jump the pro war side because they dont want to seem unpatriotic. By the time war actually starts at least 50 percent will support trump's actions.
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