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US Department of Defense confirms it targeted/killed Qasem Soleimani, commander of Iran's Quds Force, outside Baghdad Airport
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Colin Powell and David Petreus both made decent names for themselves, though their stars have faded
The American military industrial complex (the arms manufacturers and many politicians) salivate at the idea of a war with Iran. Plenty of them would gladly go along with Trump.
Whats the point of blowing up a reactor if you don't get the street cred
Exactly. Focusing only on Trump belies that this type of behavior is endemic to the way our country has conducted foreign policy on both sides for years now (granted dems aren't this brazenly stupid about it). But at the end of the day we need to take it upon ourselves to recognize this as a wider issue that needs to fucking stop.
Which dem primary candidate is most likely to support this fuckup?
edit: pleasantly surprised that the frontrunners agree this is bad
edit: pleasantly surprised that the frontrunners agree this is bad
An Iran war will NOT be like Iraq. First, Iran has ~80 million people, most of whom are loyal to the regime and now with this assassination, it will likely unite the country.
Second, Iran has mastered the ground game in the ME. This will be seen as a religious and nationalistic war for millions of people. Iran is capable of power projection both conventional and especially asymmetric.
Simply put, an Iran war will bring the ME to its knees, in ways we probably dont even know about yet.
Assassinating Suleimani and then bragging about it is probably one of the best ways to provoke the war.
I think we are honestly past the point of the gulf having any real control of US oil prices. I agree with your post otherwise just not the oil prices bit.
the thing i don't understand is why the US is gunning so hard for a war with iran that they already know that they'll lose? obviously it's the profit motive but how profitable is it to get the shite kicked out of you? (that is assuming that this war will actually end instead of just gradually fading out of our collective attention)
Democrats (or at least certain Democrat politicians) seem to be going the "it's unacceptable that Trump did this without Congressional approval" route, which is good news. The worst thing that can happen is if Democrats start to go along with the administration, as they did with the Iraq war. It's all going to hinge on how the public reacts. The general public was very gung-ho about war after 9/11, which made it politically untenable for Democrats to come out strongly against the war.
I really don't think America has an appetite for a war with Iran and I can't imagine the Republican party honestly believes otherwise. The Trump-GOP relationship has always seemed like a tiger by the tail - dangerous to hold onto, but more dangerous to let go, so I guess they've gotta hold on for as long as they can. But ultimately they're more interested in exploiting their control over all three branches while they can, and weathering the Trumpism storm.
But if this isn't just saber rattling - if it's an honest attempt to provoke escalation - I'm thinking there's no one at the wheel anymore. I think Trump might have managed to excise and marginalize anyone capable of steering him away from obvious bad decisions.
But if this isn't just saber rattling - if it's an honest attempt to provoke escalation - I'm thinking there's no one at the wheel anymore. I think Trump might have managed to excise and marginalize anyone capable of steering him away from obvious bad decisions.
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edit: sorry, in my contempt for Tulsi I used some really offensive language.
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Tulsi? She opposed the Iran Deal IIRC.
Maybe Pete if he thinks it'll help him in the moderate lane?
average person isn't going to feel sympathy for someone she's calling a murderer and responsible for the deaths of thousands including hundreds of Americans, can't play both sides
Sadly....if oil prices go up, yeah the U.S consumer will hurt but since the U.S started the shale oil and gas fields....rising oil prices benefit Saudi Arabia, the U.S, and other oil producing countries except Iran since probably they will be unable to sell oil in any conflict potential increasing.
Tulsi really hates Muslims, but the one thing she's pretty consistent about hating more than Muslims is when American soldiers get killed. So it'll probably be something like "this is good, but if people die it will be bad".
On of the greatest tricks the pro-war people managed to pull is to bully everyone who want to be against war to first repeat the pro-war talking point.
It's part profit, part a show of power, part fueling the jingoism fire to consolidate power stateside. (it's also extremely profitable if you're funneling tax money into your private contractor businesses)
I mean, one thing Biden has been consistent on for decades is repeatedly saying that war with Iran is fucking stupid, at least. Not to mention he opposed the Afghan surge from what the declassified docs say.
I think the American public (at this time) is not for another war. They are worn out on wars. Heck even my Dad said the Iraq war was a mistake and he is a Republican.
The only way that public opinion is swayed towards pro-war is an attack on American soil or overseas directly at American citizens by Iran.
I could be wrong, but that is just my gut reaction tonight.
Full blown conventional war? Unlikely as Iran doesn't want that.
Proxy and terrorism across the region? A for sure thing.
"This is actually really bad because Trump did it without congressional approval BUT" is absolutely the wrongest foreign policy take and it's endemic of our political apparatus for decades.
no. The take is not "the US should have unilateral power to extrajudicially execute foreign state officials as long as congress approves and we put them on a terror list beforehand "
talk about missing the point
no. The take is not "the US should have unilateral power to extrajudicially execute foreign state officials as long as congress approves and we put them on a terror list beforehand "
talk about missing the point
The Republican party, playing the role of the Nazis but in the 21st century, supports a level of conservatism that the public actively rejects, and will suppress them to continue their aims.
Much like with Hitler, they're relying on the populist to keep it "normal," but as we've seen with Ukraine, there's no leash. Just like with Hitler, all you need is the right event to take place and the mask is completely off.
In this moment, they're worse than Iran and worse than the person we just bombed. They're declaring this as an act of "freedom" and getting the same know-it-all-know-nothings to repeat the same lines of American liberation that they did during Iraq. They've even pushed a fake ass story justifying the attack, that there was a "planned attack" and he had to be assassinated in advance of it going into action.
They're a fucking doomsday cult and just within the first week of this decade, their love for bombing middle eastern countries and denial of climate change have the world ablaze. Worse than ISIS, don't @ me.
Tulsi will approve of it and support troop mobilization. Civilians don't seem to understand that most of the services want to do this shit. It's only when it goes super bad they rebel. Vietnam was really the last and honestly only time that happened.
You dont have to preface the US literlaly tearing up the iran deal and blowing up iran's people with "well those people are clearly horrible"
Say, "this is fucking bad. full stop"
Say, "this is fucking bad. full stop"
yeah, as soon as they see our army at their borders, they'll throw down their weapons and cheer
we will be greeted as liberators
Biden and Warren qualify that he was a bad person, which is objectively true but it's also like, "I mean he kind of deserved it, but it opens us up to retribution" is maybe not a great condemnation of an assassination
Most are probably just waking up going "What the hell?!?"
Nicaragua is the plan B of Venezuela.
Just because the Middle East boys are having fun wars it doesn't mean that the Latin America division is gonna just twiddle their thumbs.
America can multitask!
Did you miss Bolivia?
He is the only choice. Couldn't be clearer.
I deleted that because I'm not actually sure, but heavy hot war it would be pretty quick. And you ignored the rest of my admittedly edited post but it ain't the first month that matters, it's the aftermath and how it's handled. Beyond that I hope to god none of this happens.
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