They can absolutely blame him. He's the commander in chief. Congress Voting to Sanction a country is very different than a president ordering a airstrike a foriegn civilian airport.
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US Department of Defense confirms it targeted/killed Qasem Soleimani, commander of Iran's Quds Force, outside Baghdad Airport
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It's probably already been said, but 2020 marks 30 years of U.S. military in Iraq or dealing directly with Iraq, starting with Operation Desert Shield in August, 1990.
Not beside the point, but your statement is very important as well. I could 100% see a scenario where the U.S is ejected from Iraq following the assassination of Soleimani.
No one even wins wars nowadays, though. They're pretty much engineered to never end. It's just endless misery.
They are the people giving him the money to do all this imperialist bullshit.
The US is too fargone to have any kind of accountability on that end, though.
Both sides, eh? Our system might be stupid but they know damn well what else was in the that military budget bill.
This.
It's all so people can just get rich off of it, and it's fucking disgusting.
Hezbollah has sleeper cells in the US. If this continues to escalate they very well could be activated.
I never made a value judgment in my post. I think you underestimate the value and the difference that skilled individual leaders can make to a country's ambitions. Maybe 'neuter' was too strong a word, but this is still an invaluable asset that Iran just lost.
There is no evidence that there are Muslims in the US who can be "activated" and just start terror attacks, and I really don't think we should be talking like that.
Yeah he had diplomatic immunity so he was there officially
That would be profoundly stupid on their part. It would galvanize the US public.
I think assassinating senior political leaders of countries you're not even at war with a terrible terrible way to conduct foreign policy.
And I think all this discussion about how bad or talented he was kinda miss the point.
Yep. People have been saying this for years and it rings more true every time. The US has been heavily incentivizing countries to pursue covert nuclear weapons programs by cavalierly crushing countries that do decide to try to pull away from the brink.
Difficult to imagine that US officials won't be fair game now outside the US.
Both sides want war with Iran. Democrats would simply go about it in a less embarrassing way with more legal mumbo jumbo to cloud their actions if they held the WH.
i got *supremely* bored at my previous job, so i decided to read up on ol' ike, and damn people really loved that motherfucker
Sure but that's getting philosophical about it -- the US would probably eek out an eventual 'Tactical victory' designation on WIkipedia. Lord knows what the strategic goals or god forbid, "exit strategy" (lol Powell Doctrine) of the current US administration is.
Do zoomers have a different idea of how horrible of a thing WW2 was and fantasize about a WW3 where they go in and no-scope terrorists or some shit? A World War will not happen in that way again. Your ass is just getting bombed out and drone striked. Joking about a WW3 is a bit fucked.
In all seriousness is there any evidence of that?
Because that sounds a little similar to the very worst of right wing fear mongering.
They exist, to think they don't is naive.
And I wish we didn't have to discuss stuff like this, I hate what we have done to the Middle East.
You're aware 24 wasn't a fly on the wall documentary right
I'm just imagining the panic that is going to hit when millions wake up in the morning to this news.
For anyone saying this takes Impeachment off the table F that. This just adds to all the arguments for why Trump has to go. There is no good outcome or positive for this. This made things exponentially worse. No one wants trump leading in a situation like this.
For anyone saying this takes Impeachment off the table F that. This just adds to all the arguments for why Trump has to go. There is no good outcome or positive for this. This made things exponentially worse. No one wants trump leading in a situation like this.
Well he was one of the heroes of WW2... so its not hard to see why.
It's Eisenhower who's got the power from '53 to '61!
I do. He's my personal favorite president.
If Iran does have sleeper cells in America and they attack Americans that would be one of the dumbest moves Iran could make. It would make America take the gloves off and bomb Iran to rubble, and I don't just mean strategic targets, America would probably on purposely target civilians like they did against Japan and Germany in WWII.
So, Trump is going to say something stupid to make it worse before noon, or after noon? Any bets?
Idiot's gonna do The Worst Thing Possible as he always does, escalate conflict, and start a war. This will raise oil prices, tanking the """good""" economy. How does he survive besides relying yet again on the post-truthers at Fox News saying he's done the right things and the radical left and the mainstream media are siding with terrorists?
Y'all, the 2020s looks like a decade fucking conservatives rape the planet to permanent harm the world over. We're not even a week in.
Idiot's gonna do The Worst Thing Possible as he always does, escalate conflict, and start a war. This will raise oil prices, tanking the """good""" economy. How does he survive besides relying yet again on the post-truthers at Fox News saying he's done the right things and the radical left and the mainstream media are siding with terrorists?
Y'all, the 2020s looks like a decade fucking conservatives rape the planet to permanent harm the world over. We're not even a week in.
Make no mistake this has 0% to do with us, it has everything to do with Jabba the hut. We really need to be careful. I think we are on the precipice of a dictatorship (not joking, and im sick of people telling me to not over exaggerate)
As always everyone is implicated like Iraq War, fuck any other narrative that puts this on just the Cheetoh
This is an absolutely reckless move. Outside of an airport too, what a mess. There is no justification for this escalation, someone needs to put the breaks on this dude before he finally goes through in provoking a war. Have they announced of this action was recommended to Trump or did he spur it? Either way it's idiotic but I would like to know if he should be blamed or all this stupid military hierarchy.
Democrats are also a lot more ideologically diverse (part of the reason they struggle to win). At best this is lazy, at worst it is FUD that plays to the "don't vote" crowd.
First of, I'd like to inform you I am not American, so my country has not been "salivating for war".
And I wasn't claiming war with Iran would be a walk in the park, nor that it wouldn't be a huge bloodbath. I was merely enquiring about your doubting the claim that the US would ultimately be the most likely to win such a war. Of course we can argue about the meaning of "winning", but that seems rather pointless here, as this entire scenario is both a fantastically stupid idea and unlikely to occur.
I phrased it the way I did because I am not sure. Have read numerous times (not on site) how incredibly important Soleimani was to Iran, it's military industry, and it's foreign overt/covert activities. Saw some people say he was basically a JSOC commander, CIA director, and with all of the influence that a Foreign Prime Minister has all rolled into one.
Just to be clear. I am not at all saying or agreeing with anyone pushing that this was at all a smart move.
Plausible deniability is probably rule number one in any situation with sleeper cells disrupting shit.
No way this will be your hollywood "Oh no a bomb went off in Times Square, and Iran is taking responsability!" bullshit lol
I feel that this might not be true, in that by killing Soleimani, hes established as a facet of policy, that attacking sovereign uniformed military personnel in response to threats on U.S personnel may occur. I.e if Iran kills a general, the U.S will probably do the same, and while Iran could go down that path, escalation and the accompanying deployment of U.S forces to strike back by hurt Iran way more than they want.
Like Imagine if Sec. Pompeo got killed, wouldn't the pressure on Trump to respond back by hurting Iran be huge? The only thing that Iran might be waging is Trump is still a chickenhawk and will back down after further attacks on U.S personnel but at this point we are reading Trump's mind so who the fuck knows.
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