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bahorel

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I don't get this attitude. Why should he?

are you even reading the thread? influencers should be aware of what kind of people they support.

good for fucking you if you want to play a game and don't care who that money is going towards or what sort of ideology you're supporting

anyway i shouldn't be surprised considering geoff also thinks it's a-okay to interact with boogie and kanye
 

Gloomz

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Game has such unique visuals - curious to see it in motion.

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They're still working with Microsoft.
 

Mivey

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Wonder how fucked in the head you need to be to equate "feminism won" with a dystopian Blade Runner esque future. Conservatives sure are weird.
 

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No egalitarian is an invented phrase used by shitheads who think they're slick and are hiding their shithead nature but claiming to be egalitarians.

It's the same as calling yourself a Classical Liberal.
That's some interesting thought choice on words. Considering how old the word Egalitarian is and what it stands for it most definitely does line up with feminism. The problem with this developer is his alignment with GamerGate, which does not propose equalism like Egalitarian does but instead put man above woman.
 

Vela

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If only there was some sort of economic model that could sustain workers to commit to their creativity without worrying about financial investors...

Maybe Tim Soret should read up on this thing called universal basic income, he might like it !
 

excelsiorlef

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That's some interesting thought choice on words. Considering how old the word Egalitarian is and what it stands for it most definitely does line up with feminism. The problem with this developer is his alignment with GamerGate, which does not propose equalism like Egalitarian does but instead put man above woman.

Yes I already said mea culpa on misusing invented.

My interpretation however is the popular usage in today's world.
 

LabRat

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a trailer was planned for the game awards? man i would have loved to see that, they promised to at least show some gameplay in 2018 but that obviously didnt happen

i really hope they can fix the funding issues they have, find a new publisher if they need one
 

Syril

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I can't believe misogynists managed to fucking turn the word egalitarian into a dog whistle.
 

VectorPrime

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a trailer was planned for the game awards? man i would have loved to see that, they promised to at least show some gameplay in 2018 but that obviously didnt happen

i really hope they can fix the funding issues they have, find a new publisher if they need one

Do you assholes just not read the thread?
 
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I agree but i am telling the simplest thing: let's play it and then critisize it with all of our hearts. Maybe there is the 0000.1% possibility the game to be "good"

ps. mods have the right to delete my comments here, i don't want to be banned.

But we know what the theme is. He has gone on record that it would be about a society harmed by feminism. He has made extremely anti-woman comments.
 

toy_brain

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It's always funny for me to read that Tim Soret isn't an alt right dude. I've been on Gamerama for years, which is a forum made mostly for talking about video games without mods and without "limits". There are a lot of great people down there, and i had a ton of great debates / discussions with them. But there was also Tim Soret, who said stuff like "Since the attacks in Paris, i just can't watch arab people in the eyes", and was also posting some really alt right stuff. I'd love to provide you some screenshots for that, but he deleted his account and every single message hours before the Microsoft reveal of his game, that's something you do when you have nothing to hide, right ?
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I really wish someone had screen-capped some of those forum posts because this is the first thing I've heard about him that makes me think "Yikes, maybe he hasn't changed since 2014 after all!"

I was willing to believe him when he renounced his 2014 tweets that everyone keeps posting, because hey, everyone is allowed to be wrong, realise their mistake and change their mind, but if he still hasn't, then like I said... yikes.
That said, what we are left with is still just the 2014 tweets and a lot of unsubstantiated hearsay. I had a quick look at his twitter as it currently stands, and there are hints towards him dealing with left-wing attacks. He re-tweeted this on Dec 22nd for example (sorry, I don't use twitter, so I'm crap at knowing how links work):
https://twitter.com/herlifeinpixels/status/1076696977667121154
But most of what he posts is just animation and coding stuff, as you would expect.

I still have The Last Night wishlisted on Steam. That doesn't mean I'm going to buy it the moment it comes out. I'll wait and read some reviews, see if any alt-right politics has crept in or not. I suspect that when Raw Fury had that 'little chat' with him back in 2017 it was to make sure none of that shit made it into the final product, and we should just be left with a story about a disconnected man in a hyper-connected future world. Still, I'll wait for others to find out before putting any cash forward.
(I also want to know if the gameplay is any good. Tim comes from an animation background, and everything about the reveal trailer pointed towards the look of the game being well-defined, but none of the mechanics being settled on at all. I suspect they've spent the past couple years trying to make a decent game out of the lovely visuals).
 

Fisty

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I still have The Last Night wishlisted on Steam. That doesn't mean I'm going to buy it the moment it comes out. I'll wait and read some reviews, see if any alt-right politics has crept in or not. I suspect that when Raw Fury had that 'little chat' with him back in 2017 it was to make sure none of that shit made it into the final product, and we should just be left with a story about a disconnected man in a hyper-connected future world. Still, I'll wait for others to find out before putting any cash forward.

What do you mean by this? I dont think anything's going to "creep" in, considering his fucking elevator pitch for the game is "a ruined society where feminism won". Like what the fuck is he hiding here
 

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a trailer was planned for the game awards? man i would have loved to see that, they promised to at least show some gameplay in 2018 but that obviously didnt happen

i really hope they can fix the funding issues they have, find a new publisher if they need one
i'm hope that the studio keeps failing in the most ironic ways, is shuttered and tim goes into massive debt
 

litebrite

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I can't believe the premise for this game. LOL. I plan on making a cyberpunk dystopian future themed/setting game caused by Black lives actually mattering in society.
 

How About No

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Shocked no one pointed out this is what made Milkshake duck famous
well i like milkshakes, i like ducks, why should i care if Milkshake Duck is a tiny bit racist on the weekends (and days ending with y)
 
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toy_brain

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What do you mean by this? I dont think anything's going to "creep" in, considering his fucking elevator pitch for the game is "a ruined society where feminism won". Like what the fuck is he hiding here
His elevator pitch is "A man who cannot connect to a hyper-connected world", with the feminism stuff only existing in now-deleted tweets as far as we all know (until much more of the game is shown). But whatever, this really isn't the hill I want my account to die on, so I'm not going to pursue this argument any further.

By the way, as Odd Tales are based in the UK, you can look them up on the Companies House website. I think the link below is it. I wonder if the 'financial problems' were related to the termination of a guy called Danny Salfield Wadeson (no idea who he is) and Tim having to take on the role?
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/09453477/filing-history
 
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His elevator pitch is "A man who cannot connect to a hyper-connected world", with the feminism stuff only existing in now-deleted tweets as far as we all know (until much more of the game is shown). But whatever, this really isn't the hill I want my account to die on, so I'm not going to pursue this argument any further.

By the way, as Odd Tales are based in the UK, you can look them up on the Companies House website. I think the link below is it. I wonder if the 'financial problems' were related to the termination of a guy called Danny Salfield Wadeson (no idea who he is) and Tim having to take on the role?
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/09453477/filing-history

You are on the right path. Let's say that guy left and they had to pay him a huge amount of money (he also took with him the studio cat).
 

kiguel182

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It would be cool if Microsoft pulled out given this dudes views. Not sure if that happened but a guy like this shouldn't be supported and a game "where feminism won" as a bad thing seems terrible all around despite the pretty visuals.
 
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Does anyone here have the interview/tweet from this guy circa the E3 anouncement talking about how women nowadays were all about smoking!!!!!! and partying!!!!!! instead of staying at home (using more subtle language of course). It was posted on GAF back then but I cba going back and rummaging through a dozen threads to find it.
 

FuturusX

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He's pointing out the stupidity of the games premise not defending it

Actually, I think he was in agreement, satire squared and all that.

However, I think we can all agree the premise was horrid and it appears that the dev was a poor manager of his indie studio and in over his head.

Not the first time gamers frothed at the mouth over a sizzle trailer released before the guts of the game was beyond a proof of concept.

Disclaimer: My thoughts on the health of this studio and game are purely speculative, I have no inside information, beyond reading the public tweets, so feel free to dismiss me a SJW, with an axe to grind.
 

Kelegacy

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I will buy the game despite how stupid people are being. It helps that it looks great too.
 
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I will buy the game despite how stupid people are being. It helps that it looks great too.

People are pointing out that the creator has extremist anti-woman views and that the game was, at one point, a story about a dystopia where feminism won.

If being stupid is being able to understand and pay attention, then call me stupid I guess. *shrug*
 

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I will buy the game despite how stupid people are being. It helps that it looks great too.
It really upsets me how people keep saying the "game looks amazing despite its creator" when a) "separate the art from the artist" is a dumb ideology and b) the artist has literally gone on record saying the game is about a dystopia where feminism won (therefore proving point a.)
 

How About No

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It really upsets me how people keep saying the "game looks amazing despite its creator" when a) "separate the art from the artist" is a dumb ideology and b) the artist has literally gone on record saying the game is about a dystopia where feminism won (therefore proving point a.)
perhaps because they agree with the creator on some level

or are just too distracted by the shiny art that nothing else in the game matters
 

Keldroc

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I know what it is, and there're many different types of cyberpunk, but for me the atmosphere is the core. For some reason I just really like the HK style cyberpunk, maybe it's the color, maybe it's the architecture, maybe it's the neon signs. Another style of cyberpunk I really like is Tokyo but that's another topic.

There's no such thing as a shallow read, it's can be an art style, it can be a setting or it can be just a definition.

Yeah this is completely wrong. Cyberpunk is not a visual style, or at least not solely that. Your posts show you have no idea what cyberpunk is as a genre, you just think it's an aesthetic, which is at best a misconception. Cyberpunk has thematic and character elements that are required to make it what it is, most broadly a corporate oppression element, a pushback or revolt against that control (where the "punk" part comes from), and the use of technology as a dehumanizing and/or human enhancing force. Without that it's just a setting, which is indeed a shallow read of what is meant by the term "cyberpunk." You're reducing it down to a visual look, which is a valid read on many of cyberpunk's offshoots (Steampunk, for example, which is purely an aesthetic and has no thematic elements that define it as an actual genre; steampunk is purely art direction, not storytelling, something that isn't true of cyberpunk), but is monumentally wrong when done to cyberpunk.

I mean, embrace your shallow read of cyberpunk if that's what you like to do. I'm not saying you have to not like it or you're liking that element of it wrong. But don't try to justify it as equally valid to people who know what they're talking about when they correct you for cutting away 90% of what makes cyberpunk itself as an excuse for buying a shitty person's game that has his shitty worldview as its premise just because you think it's pretty.
 

Micolash

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I wonder if the 'financial problems' were related to the termination of a guy called Danny Salfield Wadeson (no idea who he is) and Tim having to take on the role?

Saw a comment on Reddit, unconfirmed/unverified, that they were potentially switching publishers and the original publisher was resisting in some way.

(I guess that means Microsoft wasn't going to be the publisher?)
 

VectorPrime

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This would be like if Roman Polanski made a movie whose premise was a world where abolishing all age of consent laws ushered in a utopian future and people are defending it going "but it has amazing cinematography!"

Except this is even worse because at least Polanski has proven his ability to make good
movies, where as what the fuck has this guy ever done? His game might simply suck because he sucks st making games.
 

LewieP

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Saw a comment on Reddit, unconfirmed/unverified, that they were potentially switching publishers and the original publisher was resisting in some way.

(I guess that means Microsoft wasn't going to be the publisher?)
Microsoft were not publishing it, but it was launching with console exclusivity on Xbox, which is often (but not always) associated with payment from Microsoft.
 

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I've read through every page. I still hope the game gets properly funded and released. I want to play it. So sue me.

Maybe he'll include an incest scene just for you if you stan hard enough.

I prefer Asian stuff. I always hate that porn is basically outlawed in Korea and we get nothing from there (other than really realistic sex scenes in many Korean movies to get around those laws).

There's some incest-related stuff in the top. I like brother/sister or dad/step-daughter stuff. Obviously it's all fake roleplaying (other than the occasional real set of twins).
 

Megasoum

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Even ignoring all the issues with the dude and the original premise for the game (don't ignore it... Fuck that dude and his terrible views)

People are actually super hyped about a game that they haven't actually seen anything from yet...

It is well established and mentionned in this thread that when the original trailer was released the game did not exist yet... It was 100% smoke and mirror CG to market a (bad) idea.

You're literrally getting hyped for something that doesn't even exist....Even if the game ends up getting released, and that's a gigantic if, there's absolutely zero guarantees that it will look or play anything like what was originally promised.
 

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I seem to remember reading that the trailer was a pain in the ass to put together and is basically a proof of concept. There is no actual gameplay in the trailer because there was no actual game to pull it from.

The lack of any in game footage during the past 1.5yrs coupled with this latest Tweet makes the game seem like vaporware.
 
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