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Updates on The Last Night's development
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Wait, I thought the devs changed that? Are they seriously still doing the whole ''feminism dystopian'' thing?
If that's true then I am gonna reconsider this.
He claimed he didn't think that way anymore, but there was still more than enough evidence of him still actively promoting shitty ideas before he got caught as a milkshake duck and started deleting tweets.
Well that's fucking bummer, I will not support the game if the game's content (story, character etc.) is influenced by the creator's believe, I was gonna play it because I thought it's just the creator that has issues and the game is just its own thing (while looking beautiful as shit). Fuck this.
If I can't separate an art from its artist then it's a no from me.
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the intial pitch was something along the lines of, universal basic income will destroy the desire to create art, so humanity is dead. Tech has gone too far and given women too much agency (artificial uterus for example) but he hasn't quantified exactly why and how this is a problem.
here's some of his deleted tweets #gamergate
If this game really was deeply about a "feminist dystopia" I would have loved to see (or at least read about) how they managed to manifest that nonsense as a game.
I wonder if MS bailing on support was purely over optics or because the game really was about that shit.
I wonder if MS bailing on support was purely over optics or because the game really was about that shit.
lol this explanation on Urban Dictionary. Pathetic.
Milkshake Duck
A forced meme created in response to a video game developer who gained recognition for a very impressive looking independently created game, only for it to be found later that he was an Egalitarian who supported the existence of bisexuals instead of a SJW "Feminist" who openly hates men. His success was derailed by outraged independent "video game" developers who were jealous of his newfound fame who promptly dug through 8 years of social media posts (and posted some that were photoshopped) to claim he was Literally Hitler.
Not widely used, but often repeated as an attempt to force it's popularity, in part because it presumes the guilt of the person targeted by the name.
Refers to the act of doing opposition research towards a person who is newly successful or famous, finding something in their past (often in their social media accounts) that can be misconstrued as offensive or non-politically correct, and then directing an outrage mob towards them.
"Bob saved those kittens from the tree, and that's cool, but I found he once posted a picture of Elmer Fudd in a dress making fun of someone. That's transphobic! Gotcha, you Milkshake Duck! Quick, everyone, be outraged!"
#forced meme#outrage culture#social justice warrior#sjw
by Xython January 17, 2018
Milkshake Duck
A forced meme created in response to a video game developer who gained recognition for a very impressive looking independently created game, only for it to be found later that he was an Egalitarian who supported the existence of bisexuals instead of a SJW "Feminist" who openly hates men. His success was derailed by outraged independent "video game" developers who were jealous of his newfound fame who promptly dug through 8 years of social media posts (and posted some that were photoshopped) to claim he was Literally Hitler.
Not widely used, but often repeated as an attempt to force it's popularity, in part because it presumes the guilt of the person targeted by the name.
Refers to the act of doing opposition research towards a person who is newly successful or famous, finding something in their past (often in their social media accounts) that can be misconstrued as offensive or non-politically correct, and then directing an outrage mob towards them.
"Bob saved those kittens from the tree, and that's cool, but I found he once posted a picture of Elmer Fudd in a dress making fun of someone. That's transphobic! Gotcha, you Milkshake Duck! Quick, everyone, be outraged!"
#forced meme#outrage culture#social justice warrior#sjw
by Xython January 17, 2018
That would be nice, but nah. That's not how people here work.
Man, I'll never forget how quickly this guy and his game got Milkshake Ducked after that reveal trailer.
User Banned (1 month): Rationalizing misogynist rhetoric and excusing the dialog associated with hate and harassment movements
I think it's interesting to how a society would be if
This sounds perfectly reasonable and rather interesting, except for the stupid hashtag. I hope everything will be ok for him, the game looks phenomenal.the intial pitch was something along the lines of, universal basic income will destroy the desire to create art, so humanity is dead. Tech has gone too far and given women too much agency (artificial uterus for example) but he hasn't quantified exactly why and how this is a problem.
here's some of his deleted tweets #gamergate
I'm not defending him, I'm explaining how he probably ended up believing what he did at that point in time. People aren't born supporting gamergate, there's a complex internet filter bubble preceding such views. And I doubt he left that bubble after people tried going after his livelihood.
whats interesting as well is that Soret seems to have spent some time on 4chan, at one point he's expressed interest in incorporating a character "Vivian James" into the game that was created there. His optics on modern feminism seem extremely questionable.
this was the event? wow lol.
anyways, I feel bad for the devs but not for timmy
the intial pitch was something along the lines of, universal basic income will destroy the desire to create art, so humanity is dead. Tech has gone too far and given women too much agency (artificial uterus for example) but he hasn't quantified exactly why and how this is a problem.
here's some of his deleted tweets #gamergate
Wow this is lame. Yet some still say "but the game looks good." Oof.
https://forum.waypoint.vice.com/t/c...y-and-everything-else-really-image-heavy/4646
this post does a better job than i ever will deconstructing the myth of Soret's "radical" cyberpunk vision
I guess I'm seeing it as there's no need to come to the why of it all. It's a propaganda game if it's still anywhere near what he claimed it to be at this point. Either the drop in funding made him reevaluate his views (unlikely), or it hardened him and put him on a mission to get this message out even more.
I dont really think it had to do with the devs troubling views but with MSofts spotty record with developing "Exclusives" with third party devs.
Same thing happened with Phantom Dust and Scalebound, they come in...throw money around for a demo and trailer and then fuck off when it comes down to the nitty gritty.
boy would it suck if women and minorities got too many equal rights
That's two games you mentioned. I'll bet on it being the shitty views that made them back off.
what did shannon loftis tweet at the creators of scalebound or phantom dust?
Can't really say friend but an acquaintance has this exact view of feminism, like 100%, no gamergater because he doesn't game but super invested in all the historical and political side of feminism so you really can't argue with him because he's far too invested in it and probably does nothing else than read about it. You just get this unsettling feeling when he starts to talk about it because you get upset but really have nothing at all to counter with and just wants to walk away. I've tried to pinpoint what's his problem but I can't, no cultural thing or anything like that, just some sort or fear that women are going to take over the world unless we put the foot down and speak up :P
As for this game I'm still undecided, it does indeed look amazing and I bet I can ignore the politics, but I'm not sure if that goes for everyone playing it though and spreading this type of message might not be wise.
As for this game I'm still undecided, it does indeed look amazing and I bet I can ignore the politics, but I'm not sure if that goes for everyone playing it though and spreading this type of message might not be wise.
you're probably gonna wait for a while if the dev is in trouble
Pulled out of what? They were never publishing it. They just showed it's trailer at E3
Exactly. It makes me sad how many people here can't look past the nice neon lights and care about the fact that the game will be apparently set in "dystopia caused by women having rights".
I'm gonna go ahead and take a stab and say all the people vaguely saying "Game looks awesome, can't wait!" are actually super into the "dystopia caused by women having rights" angle, because right now there's literally nothing else to the game.
You're a fairly inactive user with a very low post count that just happened to post in this thread with an incredibly hot take.
"I think a game that portrays feminism as having gone 'too far' and women have 'too many' rights creating a future the game portrays as a dystopian hellscape sounds super interesting!"
like what lmao. very suss tbh
He's a fucking moron who doesn't even understand the basics of the topics he's covering. From eugenics coming from people who have a progressive viewpoint to the dangers of UBI not being that the people pushing for it most being the rich capitalists who have a history of giving their workers the fewest protections and smallest wage imaginable.
That's not even going into the insane anti-woman message of the game.
That's not even going into the insane anti-woman message of the game.
There's a 99.9% that it sucks. Was it worth it going to bat for a alt-right bigot for a 0000.1% chance? Do you stand on the corner listening to whack jobs claiming the world is going to end on the 0000.1% chance that they might be right?
It's always funny for me to read that Tim Soret isn't an alt right dude. I've been on Gamerama for years, which is a forum made mostly for talking about video games without mods and without "limits". There are a lot of great people down there, and i had a ton of great debates / discussions with them. But there was also Tim Soret, who said stuff like "Since the attacks in Paris, i just can't watch arab people in the eyes", and was also posting some really alt right stuff. I'd love to provide you some screenshots for that, but he deleted his account and every single message hours before the Microsoft reveal of his game, that's something you do when you have nothing to hide, right ?
But yeah, i'm sure he's a good guy now (lol).
It's alright to buy a game if you want the game, even if you disagree with the views of the creator, but please don't believe the whole "My views have changed now", because this is bullshit.
But yeah, i'm sure he's a good guy now (lol).
It's alright to buy a game if you want the game, even if you disagree with the views of the creator, but please don't believe the whole "My views have changed now", because this is bullshit.
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See in some cases I'd say sure. In this case, it's not enough to say "separate the art from the artist". Most art is an expression of the artist's views in one way or another. In this case it's a fucking statement. Someone doesn't get to play that card in purchasing this to me.
Game is retooled so Charlie just thinks he lives in a dystopia, when actually everything is fine.
Tim Soret's own views prevent him from having anything close to this level of self-awareness.
It was around for a year before then, but it was just the perfect example.
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