YepIf you're doing work, you should be paid. If the company can't afford you, then they should not have you work for them.
YepIf you're doing work, you should be paid. If the company can't afford you, then they should not have you work for them.
That isn't specific to internships. What you're talking about is the problem of every international student in pretty much every country. Once your student visa lapses, you're told to leave. Trying to find a job outside your country of citizenship is difficult all around.
Just wanted to bump this and say thanks for posting this.DC is a weird but useful example because Unpaid interning at a politician's office is something that the children of wealthy people - often with other familial or friendship connections to that politician— can afford to do and who are disproportionately hired from outrageously expensive colleges. Guess what kind of thing that propagates and amplifies?
hint: it's not a nonpartisan nepotism free marketplace of conflicting ideas and healthy bidirectional disagreement.
there's the soft exploitation of old boy networks propagating themselves. That's how the system works in Hollywood and politics and other elite systems. Keeps the hoi polloi at bay.
and don't forget this picture next time someone tries to shut down the "staying home because my candidate didn't win " conversation using race as a "both sides" reason.
DC is a weird but useful example because Unpaid interning at a politician's office is something that the children of wealthy people - often with other familial or friendship connections to that politician— can afford to do and who are disproportionately hired from outrageously expensive colleges. Guess what kind of thing that propagates and amplifies?
hint: it's not a nonpartisan nepotism free marketplace of conflicting ideas and healthy bidirectional disagreement.
there's the soft exploitation of old boy networks propagating themselves. That's how the system works in Hollywood and politics and other elite systems. Keeps the hoi polloi at bay.
and don't forget this picture next time someone tries to shut down the "staying home because my candidate didn't win " conversation using race as a "both sides" reason.
Did she not go to school 5 days a week as well? How is teaching 6 hours a day different than going to classes 6 hours a day?My friend is getting her education degree rn so she's student teaching. She works 5 days a week, 730am to 230pm. She doesn't get paid for any of it.
It's fuckinf absurd.
Well considering she's doing work right now that adults get paid for? She's also in classes to actually graduate and has to write and do reports/exercises on her student teaching as well.Did she not go to school 5 days a week as well? How is teaching 6 hours a day different than going to classes 6 hours a day?
I didn't realize college students were children.Well considering she's doing work right now that adults get paid for? She's also in classes to actually graduate and has to write and do reports/exercises on her student teaching as well.
Do you not see the difference in teaching as an adult and going to school as a child and why one is paid and the other is not and is compulsory?
They're not. So they should get paid for their work when they do work outside of normal classwork/homework. Teaching for 6 hours a day for 5 days a week goes beyond normal classwork and is straight up a paid profession.
Well considering she's doing work right now that adults get paid for? She's also in classes to actually graduate and has to write and do reports/exercises on her student teaching as well.
Do you not see the difference in teaching as an adult and going to school as a child and why one is paid and the other is not and is compulsory?
In the US, it is illegal for an unpaid intern to do work that generates substantial income for the company. Unpaid interns are not supposed to do real work for the company, the intern is supposed to be the one getting the most benefit out of the deal. If an intern is doing the same (or more) work that a real employee would, then that's when it crosses the line.If my work generates income or maintains business relationships, I should be paid. Simple as that.
Wait what, did you mean to quote someone else? I've never advocated for unpaid internships in this thread, certainly not ones where you have to pay the credits for lolSo you think it's fair that the college student has to pay 1000+ dollars for the credit in order to get the internship while interning? You don't think that at very least the company hiring them should pay the credits in return of not paying them?
I fail to see the difference of a college student not getting paid to learn in class and a college student not getting paid to learn in the field. I myself had an internship in college needed to graduate and my wife is a grade school teacher who also had to student teach and who often times has a student teacher in her classroom.They're not. So they should get paid for their work when they do work outside of normal classwork/homework. Teaching for 6 hours a day for 5 days a week goes beyond normal classwork and is straight up a paid profession.
Because the student teaching is in addition to her classes. If you don't think there's an issue with someone performing a paid position for a ~40 hour work week while not getting compensated in any way just because they're new in the field and they need it to graduate idk what to tell you. That's peak exploitation.I fail to see the difference of a college student not getting paid to learn in class and a college student not getting paid to learn in the field. I myself had an internship in college needed to graduate and my wife is a grade school teacher who also had to student teach and who often times has a student teacher in her classroom.
What happens when they're required to graduate?They're voluntary. Feel free to apply for an actual paid position.
That being said I'm of the opinion that internships should be practical hands-on experience and educational/informative for the applicant.
I understand where the sentiment is coming from, too many companies look at it as free 'low-skill' or 'entry level' labor. It should be something mutually beneficial.
Don't underestimate a good internship. You can develop contacts that benefit you later in your career.
They aren't new in the field. They aren't yet in the field, hence, the internship to make sure they have the necessary skills and want to even be in the field. And if you think your friend is doing 100% of the work and being exploited while the normal teacher is sitting on her ass doing nothing, I have a bridge to sell you.Because the student teaching is in addition to her classes. If you don't think there's an issue with someone performing a paid position for a ~40 hour work week while not getting compensated in any way just because they're new in the field and they need it to graduate idk what to tell you. That's peak exploitation.
I had one of my internships while working as a delivery driver too and they didn't understand that I had other commitments at all despite telling them that before they hired me. Eventually quit the pizza place because they would schedule me for 60 hour work weeks 😑I've worked as a unpaid intern for both a political campaign and at my county's solicitor general's office. Both were fun experiences but almost financially broke me. During my solicitor general's internship I was doing that, working at my University, and delivery driving for pizza hut. If University paid better or the internship paid at all I wouldn't have to be a fucking pizza delivery driver. So yes internships should pay. Anyone that says no can piss off.
Unpaid internships ARE illegal if you are doing actual work. By law the company is required to pay you if you do actual work for them.
No they're working in the field. They're new in it but they're in the field. I didn't say they're doing 100% of the work but they're still doing a lot just with the time commitment alone and deserve to be paid for their time and effort.They aren't new in the field. They aren't yet in the field, hence, the internship to make sure they have the necessary skills and want to even be in the field. And if you think your friend is doing 100% of the work and being exploited while the normal teacher is sitting on her ass doing nothing, I have a bridge to sell you.
You're twisting what I'm saying. I'm saying a college student who needs to intern to graduate shouldn't be paid. It's no different than going to class 40 hours a week, doing homework, studying for finals, etc. College students dont get paid for any of that. It's not entry level work.No they're working in the field. They're new in it but they're in the field. I didn't say they're doing 100% of the work but they're still doing a lot just with the time commitment alone and deserve to be paid for their time and effort.
Especially since she does actually teach some classes alone.
I mean you don't think people deserve to be paid for entry-level work, that's fine. I disagree.
Teaching the class alone i.e. there's a teacher in the back of the class grading but otherwise staying silent.You're twisting what I'm saying. I'm saying a college student who needs to intern to graduate shouldn't be paid. It's no different than going to class 40 hours a week, doing homework, studying for finals, etc. College students dont get paid for any of that. It's not entry level work.
They aren't hired by the school. They aren't even qualified to be teachers since they didn't graduate and she sure as shit shouldn't be left alone in the class. That seems like an oversight by that school and a lawsuit waiting to happen.
You are a bootlicking fool.Life is full of choices, lol.
This is one of those things where I think a person should be less concerned about how a thing should be in an ideal world and understand how it is and just get it done.
I obviously don't know her particular situation, but I personally interned 40 hours a week for probably 3 months. I didn't have to go to class. I did have to submit weekly reports via email. I'm not a teacher. My wife, who is a teacher, didn't have to go to class and intern 40 hours a week.Teaching the class alone i.e. there's a teacher in the back of the class grading but otherwise staying silent.
But again this is on top of classes and finals and all of that. It's not simply an extension of what being a regular student entails.
It should be forbidden to not pay interns if you company is of a certain size and has a certain income.
Little, family-owned companies for example could struggle with it if you are too rigid with such a law.
I didn't know it was this bad out there. My girlfriend is getting paid a full salary for her OJT. I thought unpaid was rare
ah well she's a jail officer. as for reporting employers, not gonna happen in the US. we are taught from pre-school to worship "job creators"At least in the US its illegal to be unpaid if you are doing things that will show up in the commercial aspect of the business. Ie: art that is used in a game etc. If these people don;t report the place they were interning at, then nothing will change.
ah well she's a jail officer. as for reporting employers, not gonna happen in the US. we are taught from pre-school to worship "job creators"