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[UNMARKED SPOILERS] Kingdom Hearts III & ReMind DLC- Spoiler Thread
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Just because you're a dick doesn't mean something is bad. It just makes you a zealot, which is always shitty. Maybe if they do a game of Darkness-wielders against zealots it'd be cool. But why wouldn't the other light-wielders step in to help?
And Riku's arc doesn't show us why the light could be bad. Balance didn't make him any stronger. It just made him... I dunno. Weaker than Sora?
I mean, in spite of the fact that Terra got possessed by Xenahort and became Terranort - his arc within the story of BbS was that even though he used the power of darkness, his heart was always in the right place. I think it was mentioned several times that he was a truly someone of the 'light realm.' Basically he's like how Riku is now, except the difference is Terra was raised by a teacher who refused any sort of darkness at all, and that in return causes a complex for Terra.
Ultimately, Eraqus' blind 'all light no darkness allowed' position was also bad.
Ultimately, Eraqus' blind 'all light no darkness allowed' position was also bad.
I don't think that balance is a necessity so much as a reality. You cannot have a universe of pure light where darkness is totally defeated forever as long as there are hearts in the world. Hearts = emotions and free will. It's what makes things "alive" in the purest sense, hence even toys and digital stuff and ideas etc. If something can think for itself, and act out of its own feelings, it can have a heart. And once you have that, you have the capacity for darkness. It is about accepting that, and knowing that the fight between light and darkness is eternal, and not one that can be won. It's not about artificially maintaining some "balance", which is why Xehanort is wrong. You can't control it, it just is.
There was a frontal shot of her keyblade though. When Xemnas was holding Kairi's hand as he kidnapped her, the keyblade is front and center xd.
So, one thing that got me all confused... was it ever explaiend why we time travelled every time we got our shit pushed in?
You get forced into rage form though. That whole segment is about getting your light back.
I can't believe Xehanort had a weird pseudo-redemption
like as soon as the BBS trio saw him at the end, they should have all beat the fuck out of him
like as soon as the BBS trio saw him at the end, they should have all beat the fuck out of him
agreed. "lingering will" is more of Tera's 'essence' or fighting spirit that remained in his armor. Guardian is where his heart was trapped, which is pretty cool - especially when the guardian rips off the binds that cover its' mouth, kinda - in my opinion - revealing why the guardian is all bound and stuff. Tera's heart was being forced to be that thing and when he ripped off the banadages, that was pretty cool.
also, i've given up on trying to reason kingdom hearts plot out. yeah, it makes me angry that nomura seems to never respect his own universe by having any sort of continuity, but i gave up on it midway through kingdom hearts 3.
And people who use darkness aren't inherently evil like you try and suggest hence Riku.
And I never said Riku's arc displayed light being bad. I said it displayed that darkness isn't necessarily bad, which it did.
Crackpot theory: The game over screen is actually the power of waking and anytime we choose continue and load game is us time traveling; Sora has had the power since KH1.
Also, keep in mind that it was Sora's stubborn over-reliance on light that actually made him vulnerable to possession by Xehanort in DDD.
He had his own life, which he decided to use to sacrifice himself to give life to Namine. That's one of the better aspects of the whole ending. Before release, the whole Riku on a beach with Replica Riku seemed like it can't lead to anything even halfway decent, but that was actually a relatively sweet moment with some actual build-up.
kairi getting killed was type predictable imo, i expected it. what annoys me is that she spends the whole game training and gets promptly owned like she's only Level 5 or something.
speaking of levels, i feel like they put 10 levels over Sora's current level for Roxas because jesus Christ, his keyblades were taking out a bar of life every other hit.
Riku asked Repliku to inhibit that body.
He was the one who didn't want it. Honestly, I think that it was a pretty good ending for him.
Meeting Sora and Riku in his journey in CoM helped him find some semblance of being accepted for being his own person, and although he seemed to have died, he survived but he also never quite found his station for being, with the sole exception of his attachment to Namine.
At that point, he was already a death seeker, but he was simply looking for a meaningful death. To give his life for the person most precious to him.
He was the one who didn't want it. Honestly, I think that it was a pretty good ending for him.
Meeting Sora and Riku in his journey in CoM helped him find some semblance of being accepted for being his own person, and although he seemed to have died, he survived but he also never quite found his station for being, with the sole exception of his attachment to Namine.
At that point, he was already a death seeker, but he was simply looking for a meaningful death. To give his life for the person most precious to him.
Riku yelling at Repliku to take the replica was probably David Gallagher's best line read (as real Riku) in the entire game.
A formative experience for him, I'm sure
Yeah, the bandage thing was definitely a nice touch.
And honestly, in terms of universe continuity (or lack thereof), I kinda like it; just because characters think they know how things work doesn't actually mean they know how things work. Wrinkles and mysteries like that add more depth to the world, just like there are mysteries and paradigm shifts in real life (for example, some of the scientific models of the past are often laughable compared to the modern day, but those scientists of the past thought that their theories were true at the time).
that's a big problem for all the game, the companions drawn to much aggro and aren't brain dead and made of paper as before.
You'd have a point if it weren't for the fact that both Roxas and Xion also accepted their fate as just a part of Sora.
Roxas, Xion and even Vanitas have Sora defending their existence. Not Repliku though. It's okay to sacrifice him because he's just 15-year old Riku.
Considering how many times Saix absolutely destroyed me while Kairi and Axel were on the team, I was happy Roxas was actually useful by comparison.
Anyone know why Rikus sound quality was weird? It always sounded off like he called in his lines or recorded them in a bad booth or something
tbh, saix and xion can put out insane AoE damage in that part of the fight, it's probably one of the harder fights in the Keyblade Graveyard.
and it last 5 seconds.
On the other hand, seeing Roxas kick so much ass in that moment after all the build up to bring him back was pretty great.
I mean, she did fall to despair. The darkness just augmented those feelings and made them stronger. I thought that was fine, it made no logical sense for Aqua of all people to wind up an X vessel.
I still don't understand why the writers didn't let him regain the memories of CoM.
it handicaps characters interaction and it serves nothing to the plot, sigh.
Oh fuck, i forgot that Sora's memories of CoM are still basically a jumbled mess. :sad:
They "accepted" but it doesn't mean they were totally cool with it. It's pointed out that especially Roxas is hurting within Sora's heart.
And it was Repliku's own choice to do what he did. Of course Riku & Sora would've done something if they could've but Repliku made his own choice. Nothing Riku nor Sora can do about that (at that moment).
One little note I liked: Sora telling Xion "it's okay, you can stop now" compared to Axel SCREAMING the same thing at Saix during the fight.
Quinton Flynn got some really good screams during that battle.
Quinton Flynn got some really good screams during that battle.
Not really.
Being Norted would have been silly and made no sense given she had been lost in Darkness for a decade. That she finally faced a situation that she couldn't take on and ended up getting thrown into the sea that warped her with darkness born from her negative emotions is a far better twist. Sora snaps her out of it not long after she surfaces, but Anti-Aqua was the result of ten years of pent up loneliness and quiet misery.
If anything is disappointing about the plot point, it's that Anti-Aqua is really only there for the one scene and boss fight (which is a great fight), and then she's back to normal in the very next scene. Though if the series goes forward with more reflections on light and darkness, Anti-Aqua returning in some capacity could probably work.
Which is funny considering Vanitas gives a whole speech about being cool with who he was and that he chose to be that, only for Sora to pull a tantrum about it.
Wonder if Sora would do the same if he knew about Repliku giving away his life.
And that's totally just like Sora, whereas Riku is mature enough to accept Repliku's personal decision. =P
As sad as it is, it also led to some humorous bits with Marluxia and Larxene.
The interesting thing about Vanitas is that he's like, the only one of the thirteen Darknesses that doesn't seek redemption or find any sort of peace with the light. He doesn't try to make nice with Ventus. He goes down fully accepting that he's Darkness and basically tells Ventus and Sora to shove it.
Ehhh
I call that falling to despair the same way somebody who loses their heart to a heartless attack "falls to despair" it was in no way willing.
Ven was like "okay, bro. Bye." It was kind of hilarious how different their reactions were.
You don't willingly fall to despair. A decade of loneliness and abandonment combined with drowning in the same dark sea that almost consumed Riku would fuck anyone up.
Technically, so does YX but I guess it's impossible for YX to get any sort of redemption arc since it'd cause a temporal paradox.
Of course it wasn't willing. Aqua wasn't looking to become Anti-Aqua. But the darkness that seeped into her sent her negative emotions into a state that overpowered everything else. She's a strong person, but the despair she quietly carried had been growing inside her the whole time she was trapped.
True! Though in YX's case, he probably thought, "I'll kick your ass when I'm an old man."
This is another thing for me. Didn't we just stop it this time? What is there to stop it from happening differently when it happens again, when YX is a wrinkly old man again?
God I hate time travel plots.
Maybe it's just me. But I'd say there's a distinct difference between getting attacked and that overwhelming you to the point of becoming heartless as a side effect
And what happens to Clayton, Gothel, Hans and Apprentice Xehanort.
There's a difference between getting thrown into the pool and jumping in yourself.
I don't even follow your argument anymore. You take issue with how Sora & Riku treat Repliku when one of them doesn't even know he exists and the other DOES try to talk him into staying. It's 100% Repliku's own choice to do what he does. It's not forced on them through an ultimatum like Roxas & Xion's fates. What's even to object here (other than the craziness of everything)?
And I don't remember any tantrums. Sora just doesn't understand Vanitas and tries to make sense of it. I also don't understand how you are trying to connect that to this discussion about Repliku.
Just beat the game, watching the credits before the secret movie.
Can someone explain some things to me?
Who was "that girl" that Axel and Lea tried to save and we're friends with? It's the same one that Ansem the Wise did experiments on.
What did Xehanort mean when he told Marluxia, Luxord, and Larxene something about being tied to the keyblade?
And did Sora fucking die?!?
AND WHAT WAS IN THE BOX 😩
Can someone explain some things to me?
Who was "that girl" that Axel and Lea tried to save and we're friends with? It's the same one that Ansem the Wise did experiments on.
What did Xehanort mean when he told Marluxia, Luxord, and Larxene something about being tied to the keyblade?
And did Sora fucking die?!?
AND WHAT WAS IN THE BOX 😩
When you beat YX, he basically goes back to the time he was pulled from and forgets that he was ever in the future. Time will continue to play out, he'll eventually become Master Xehanort, find Ventus, and everything will play out as it has. His young self never has the opportunity to remember his older self's mistakes once he's sent back.