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United States, Austria and Japan are against the UN project of banning the content of minors in anime/manga
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The fallout seems to be a bit more interesting than I expected.
In any case, there have to be provisions for content that has a narrative reason to exist, otherwise, say, Lolita would be rendered illegal in these places.
Anyone caught with it is fucking suspect (were there any studies on whether if the "im not a pedo I am not attracted to real children uwu" rationalization of this shit holds up?) but generally I agree with you, porn of real children is on another level of heinousness entirely
I think nobody would seriously defend underage "sexy scenes" in any form of media but on the other end i really can't think of a "worldwide" law for this.
To begin with this whole thing is called "Optional Protocol".
If it's optional nobody has to do it.
To begin with this whole thing is called "Optional Protocol".
If it's optional nobody has to do it.
Erm, the project is not specifically about banning content of minors in anime/manga, it's about wholesale distribution of actual child exploitation and pornography.
The objections are relatively small compared to the scope of the entire Protocol, misleading thread title.
The objections are relatively small compared to the scope of the entire Protocol, misleading thread title.
More generally speaking, if anime/manga/video games are anything to go by, Japan kind of has an unhealthy obsession with youth and high school girls. Obviously, having never been to Japan, I have no idea how widespread or mainstream this actually is. I've heard/read that it actually isn't mainstream at all, and that most "normal" Japanese people don't even know about it, and would be just as shocked as people elsewhere in the world. On the other hand there have been multiple western documentaries about this issue over the decades.
This is what the proposal states:
So it is more than just hentai.
As far as drawings and cartoons do not contain realistic images. One could argue about the meaning of "realistic" in this context, but I don't think you are echoing their statement correctly.
What the fuck happened to To Love Ru? It was just another Urusei Yatsura clone and by the end it was literally a softcore hentai manga. I hear it was because the author went through a bad divorce and said 'fuck it.'
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That's more than just anime/manga/etc. The existence of junior idol, the own joshikosei business (which is hs prostitution be it by the girls themselves or not), fetish with high school girls and other things show this. You can find this information easily if you want to find things outside.
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I mean, later on it got more heavy on those elements but since the beginning it was already a romcom with heavy ecchi
And the one which got a divorce was the artist, not the author.
I didn't know they were different people. For some reason, I always presumed the mangaka was almost always the artist and the writer.
not for much longer though
Lawson and Family Mart has followed 7-11. Many blamed the 2020 Olympics for the move.
Yeah, I'm wondering what the current scientific consensus is on requiring all the space ship / mecha pilots in the future having to be naked since that also seems to be a prevailing thing in anime.
Unless there are studies that show that looking at underage hentai can lead people to seek out real CP or otherwise normalize that behavior, I don't disagree with the US, Japan, and Austria in this case.
The shit's gross, but my opposition to CP in a larger sense is that it is an industry that necessitates the abuse and rape of children. If that isn't happening with hentai, I'm not interested in making it illegal it even if I find it gross and disturbing.
The shit's gross, but my opposition to CP in a larger sense is that it is an industry that necessitates the abuse and rape of children. If that isn't happening with hentai, I'm not interested in making it illegal it even if I find it gross and disturbing.
Either way this is not the United States taking a principled stand against people who hate certain types of anime/hentai. This is the United States defending its sovereignty like it does when sent any of these treatises. If the United States sees the need to create a law regarding something they will do that (with the pre-existing law they showed) rather than sign an international treatise.
Not sure if that's in reference to me, but if it is I guess I'm not sure what to say. I don't think anime CP is "art," or something to be celebrated or promoted. If it were banned, I wouldn't be upset about it. I just agree with these particular countries on it and their reasoning.
Anything that promotes the abuse and exploitation of minors should be illegal. If anime CP does that, it should be too. If it doesn't, I'm fine with it not being.
I agree.
I wouldn't invite anyone into lolicon to my birthday party, but this seems like it would become a total train wreck.
If this website has taught me anything, it's that "underage" in anime is really hard to actually define. And that's just idiots on this board (me included) bickering, not something that needs to be written in stone cold law.
Also, I really disagree with the characterisation of it as "child porn". Child porn is when they use real children, not drawn children. Again, I think it's skeevy, but it's a different ball game entirely.
If this website has taught me anything, it's that "underage" in anime is really hard to actually define. And that's just idiots on this board (me included) bickering, not something that needs to be written in stone cold law.
Also, I really disagree with the characterisation of it as "child porn". Child porn is when they use real children, not drawn children. Again, I think it's skeevy, but it's a different ball game entirely.
Its mere existence promotes it. Products for pedophiles should not exist. Underage Hentai is fucking Child Porn period. Just by making it you normalize it for these sick fucks. Never stan for Child Porn in any way, shape, or form.
Nope, 7-11 hasn't sold porn for a while now. Go see for yourself.
Of course the main reason is probably the falling sales.
What do you want, a cookie? An award for having to rely on technicalities to justify people being disgusting? Also, before you respond, no, I don't give a shit about you saying "i think it's skeevy". People can say that shit all they want. I'll believe it when they stop stanning for it anyway. Right up there for me with "i'm not racist, but". Gtfo with that. If you have to qualify a statement, you know how it looks. If you know how it looks, you know why i'm mad. And you basically admit that it's justified by caving in to a qualifier. The qualifiers will never work.
If you have to ask why I'm angry and why I'm wiring a post like this-- I'm tired of people being disingenuous about their positions re: this issue. We don't need to entertain arguments like this any more. They shouldn't be listened to. This is a topic that attracts the most sleazy arguments. Honestly it should be ban worthy, getting so close to the edge of stanning for these products that your intentions are questionable in the first place.
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Unless they can prove this stuff helps prevent actual children from being sexually assaulted, ban it.
User Banned (1 Month): Using Pedantry to Excuse the Sexualized Depictions of Minors over Multiple Posts
I am not "stanning" for this stuff, I don't watch/read Loli stuff at all, I think it's gross, and I think it should be banned off Twitter, reddit, and the like.
But I just don't think it's the same as actual child porn, I don't think "into Loli" immediately equals "is a pedophile", I think what "underage" counts as in anime is way too hard to define to make this law remotely viable, and I think there is a strong free speech case to be made.
If you jerk off to a little kid, fictional or otherwise, you're a fucking pedophile man. If it looks like a little kid, it is a little kid for the purpose of selling sex to pedophiles. Fuck off with this shit. Lolicons are pedophiles, period.
I can't imagine that someone sexually attracted to obvious depictions of children wouldn't also be attracted to actual children on some level.
So are Conventions though, you're just not forced to sign up for additional Protocols to Conventions IIRC.
Also the US isn't even a party to the Convention on Rights of the Child (the only one!) so they wouldn't be on board anyways.
...there's a scene with Bart's dick? I assume that never made it past the censors lol
That is not true anymore fortunately. I didn't see any of those magazines in Family Mart, 7/11 or Lawson and I looked for them because of those news that Conbinis won't sell them anymore :) So there is that at least!
Edit: I am talking about the magazines with kids in them. Adult gravure is still buyable which is okay in my book (Playboy is on the shelves too so no harm here).
I think anime is enough of an abstraction that I don't think you can easily point and say "Oh, if they're into THIS, then they're into real child porn!"
If they're masturbating to fictionalised children they're pedophiles, they're sexually attracted to children. It's not hard.
The problem with this is how do you enforce it ? I guess any anime of manga producers could state any characters in story is 18+. And that's that.
I always felt a bit uncomfortable with some anime from Japan. I remember watching Raxapheon or/and Full Metal Panic and seeing straight up kids that look like 12 years old being high ranking military officers. I was like WTF !
I always felt a bit uncomfortable with some anime from Japan. I remember watching Raxapheon or/and Full Metal Panic and seeing straight up kids that look like 12 years old being high ranking military officers. I was like WTF !
"But".
Someone didn't read my post.
Did you take a wrong turn from the isekai thread? :P
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Too lucrative of a business with all the alt right otakus for the US and Japan to fight it. This is all sad.
Technically they still do. The last volume of Kairakuten (Wani Magazine) to be sold in convenience stores started distribution last Wednesday and can be found in 7-11s and other convenience stores.
Whether or not you will find it, though? YMMV. It's essentially a collector's issue as a result.
Tomorrow's volume of HotMilk (Core Magazine) will not be found in convenience stores.
If the United States comic industry needed to create a code just to stamp out horror and crime comics, I don't see why Japan can't stop manga with sexualized children.
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