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Unfinished General Leia Scenes Reduced Rose’s Role, Says Star Wars 9 Writer Chris Terrio
- Thread starter Bor Gullet
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Not that I don't think that he is full of shit and doing damage control PR but he said that doing some scenes with Leia (and presumably Rose) turned out to be harder than anticipated. Who knows at what point in the production process it was realized that those scenes were not going to work. It may have been far too late in production to write and film new scenes.
It's funny you use them as a good example of Asian representation while they are the best proof of how the Star Wars creatives/executives actually don't care about Asian representation. Both Donnie Yen and Jiang Wen got a role in the film because they wanted to cater to the Chinese market, but when they learned that the Chinese market didn't give a shit about Star Wars, despite two huge Chinese stars, the Asian representation just disappeared. So it was never about "minority representation", but all about trying to make money on a specific market.
Yes, a "fucking" video game character - the lead one, in a game that sold 11 million copies which is what, 660M gross? Twice what TRoS has done domestically?
And for the third time I've encouraged you to be mad and push for diversity which is the opposite of telling you to "shit the fuck up." Maybe you are saying things that aren't really problem-free on the way though. Sorry to break it to you.
These are things that could have been alleviated had they taken more time and prepared . This movie in no way shape or form needed to come out at this time. It could have been delayed, instead of scrambling and hoping that they could use old footage for a main character.
You literally told him that he got his token minority so why is he complaining. All of them being Side characters and one of them literally being erased in one movie. How about instead of yapping your mouth off, you shut up and listen to these people when they say stuff like this.
Yeah, taking Terrio at his word, just how substantial could any of these hypothetical scenes even be?
So it would be ROS but there would be more scenes back at Rebel HQ where Leia talks to Rose? About what? The film is such a propulsive quest for this thing and then that thing, with everything of import happening with Rey and co. and their immediate situation, that it couldn't have been anything of note.
Yeah, this.
Personally I think it would have been an interesting angle to do what they did with Luke in TLJ, but on Krait have Leia have the scene with Kylo but with Luke watching via Force Projection. Have Kylo kill Leia and have Luke have to watch it and see the direct consequence of his isolating himself after a mistake / error of judgement (him almost killing Kylo in his sleep)
Obviously in hindsight it would have been easier to write around Carries death but move over her arc was kinda done in TLJ anyway. Instead of feeling the need to get in Palpatine, you would have had the springboard into IX thread narrative of Luke having to come through and retrain Rey properly in light of being inspired to participate properly again.
Hell they could have had Luke go mad after seeing Leia die and make him the big bad of going full nuts murdering the TFO and make IX about Rey / Kylo compromising and taking Luke down. Anything rather than wheeling out Palpy again
Yeah, it definitely had that soundboard prank phone call quality to it. =/
What would have been best for the story and the character would have been to simply recast the role, but people would have freaked the fuck out. (and I get it.)
They could have sent her on the main mission with the other 3. Hell, give D-O's fucking scenes to Rose.
Nope, she had to study.
Nope, she had to study.
There are many ways it could have been avoided in hindsight. One is that they could have delayed the film (generally not a choice made by writers or even the director). They could have found a way to have her die in the previous film (there would have been some pretty simple script changes that could have made that happen). They could have killed her off between films (my guess is this would have resulted in outrage that such an important character was killed off screen but w/e) etc.
I mean ultimately I think it is all bullshit and that they reduced her roll in the movie on purpose do to backlash (maybe it was worsened when they realized that some of the planned scenes werent going to work).
I was honestly trying to hold back laughter in the theater during the Leia scenes. I get that her passing was tragic and also put them in a terrible position, but fuck man.... It just was not working for me. The same behind-the-back shot with these super stilted, "well, this back-and-forth is a little weird, but this footage is all we've got" conversations.
This is too lenient. They chose to reduce her role. This wasn't all some unfortunate outcome because some nameless person made a choice a few years ago.
BTW he's what uncelestial has to say about Rose
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And yet when an actual Asian person is upset with their race's representation suddenly uncelestial is here to tell them off.
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They literally had their out in TLJ. Then she came back to life and flew through space. I was scratching my head big time in the cinema.
It's possible I guess, I'm not going to pretend I would know more about the production of the film than the writer and director of the film. It does seem like Rose and Leia were supposed to be together and it's not at all out of the question that they weren't able to get the performance out of a CGI Leia that they had hoped for and decided to nix scenes.
Apparently Dominic Monaghan's character was also supposed to have a considerably bigger role and that was cut down too, seems like a lot of stuff around Leia was cut.
To be honest the 2 year cycle Disney put these films on doesn't seem ideal at all.
Apparently Dominic Monaghan's character was also supposed to have a considerably bigger role and that was cut down too, seems like a lot of stuff around Leia was cut.
To be honest the 2 year cycle Disney put these films on doesn't seem ideal at all.
Carrie Fisher died in 2016. Before The Last Jedi mind you.
ROS came out in 2019.
Do the math. They knew the amount of footage they had access to, and telling a story about Leia and Rose made sense with what they had to work with? Absolutely not. It's bullshit.
It seems like they planned to do more with a CGI Carrie Fisher, and they're lying if they say that was never an option because there is a CGI young Fisher in the movie at least.
This is a lie to save face because people noticed how bad and racist they are
They are
They are
Ah, but don't you see? Clearly Leia was the linchpin that held Rose's story together. They have a long, storied on-screen history together, after all. There was obviously no way around it.
They shut that down after Rogue One was released, saying that they wanted to give Carrie Fisher a proper sending off instead of CGI face treatment.
Which I suspected was bullshit when the leaks of TROS started coming out and they had all these scenes with Carrie Fisher in them with a young Princess Leia training with Luke, no less (apparently this bit got chopped down heavily too and you don't get to see their faces except for a split second which leads me to believe they were not all that sold on the quality of the CG).
That's not the same as CGI old Leia. That's what I'm talking about.
I'm not really sure there isn't CG manipulation of the old Leia as is either. They seem to have a very broad conception of what "not doing a CG Carrie Fisher" means.
I mean there's clear CG in the sense of snipping together pieces of unused footage. I'm talking about Disney shutting down the idea of pulling a "CGI Grand Moff Tarkin" on Old Leia.
In general I never understood why both RJ and JJ felt like they had to cram in several new characters in each successive instalment when there plainly isn't even enough time for the main three characters in this trilogy and not enough for the main villains either.
Didn't the creative team change at some point after TLJ and they basically had much less time to draft a script (from scratch)? Just because they knew she was dead, doesn't mean that they had all the time from her death to plan it. You're conflating different screenwriters/directors here.
Such a bullshit reason. If there is one main character that could have some connection to Leia that would be Chewie or maybe Poe. Rose had no previous history with Leia.
The scenes with Leia in TROS are anyhow way too many and it shows they had to use old scenes as they're mostly not fitting with the dialogue happening there.
Honestly they should shut the fuck up, they catered to alt right.
The scenes with Leia in TROS are anyhow way too many and it shows they had to use old scenes as they're mostly not fitting with the dialogue happening there.
Honestly they should shut the fuck up, they catered to alt right.
It'll be good to hopefully a new trilogy learn from this one. Hopefully.
Like for real, treat your characters with some respect. This reasoning sounds like BS.
Like for real, treat your characters with some respect. This reasoning sounds like BS.
That's gonna be a yikes from me, dawg.
And fucking yikes at some of the shit in this thread. Y'all should be ashamed.
And fucking yikes at some of the shit in this thread. Y'all should be ashamed.
Seemed like most of the footage was from TFA, which was JJ. And even then, that was their move? To put Rose with the character they just had deleted scenes for? And then go "oh whoops that wont work"?
From what Terrio is saying is that the intention was to use more than just existing footage and have CGI Leia interact with Rose.
There's kind of an easy way to know if this is bull shit or not ... did KMT film those scenes or not.
They fucked up, they wrote a shit movie, they rushed it etc etc. but do we honestly believe they reduced her role because they didn't want to make the people who harassed her upset? Really? Seems far more likely that they didn't know what to write and ended up coming up with a stupid story that didn't have room for that character, or like he is saying here they didn't have the footage they needed. Obviously relying on a dead actor to get the scenes for Rose wasn't smart and probably wouldn't have even been good to begin with, but Disney's whole thing lately is using social justice to their own capitalistic advantage, so they weren't going to tell JJ to remove Rose. That just doesn't seem like their current MO. Seems far more likely that everything was on JJ, Chris and the producers who like I said fucked up. I mean I can buy him being a clueless lib who doesn't realize what message he is sending, but limiting her role with malice to appease the right? I need more believe that.
True. Even then, having Rose be like "haha, no guys I'll just hang back at the base! It's all good! Promise!" was a little, ehhh...
It gave me the impression they were just looking for a way to make it "okay" that she's basically not in the movie, which is making it impossible for me to take their excuse here at face value.
I could definitely believe this, partially because even if it had panned out the way they intended it would have been incredibly stupid. The Leia scenes that exist in the movie are uncanny enough as it is, could you imagine how terrible extensive scenes of a real actress acting off of chopped-up Carrie Fisher B-roll would have been?
like if this is true, their best case scenario was "what if rose gets to hang out with our weekend at bernie's leia frankenstein monster." this is a level of bad dumb idea I would not put past this production team lol
like if this is true, their best case scenario was "what if rose gets to hang out with our weekend at bernie's leia frankenstein monster." this is a level of bad dumb idea I would not put past this production team lol