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UNESCO-ranked parade under fire for 'racist' depictions
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I know, right? Gotta have those traditions.
I'm Austrian, and we got our own blackface thing. Luckily, it's slowly going away, but... very slowly. You'll still see blackface (and yellowface) kids in the first week of December. Shameful. Not for the kids, of course, they're not told how fucked up the whole thing is. But shame on the adults who keep pushing that garbage.
Lmfao
The Savage should just be a colonialist now, you can keep the character and make the parade much better while still focusing on yout history.
Countries with sub-5% black populations and structural racism against the black and immigrant communities doing blackface will never stop disgusting me
Holy crap, even Zwarte Piet isn't as blatant.
Like, this thing goes all in. Blackface, red lips, name (The Savage), chains, "tribal" attire, animalistic behavior... Hard to get any more transparent. The only thing it's missing is a banana*.
* For Europeans, the racist stereotypical food of a black person wouldn't necessarily be a watermelon or chicken like in the US, but a banana as a way to depict them as... a monkey, of course.
Like, this thing goes all in. Blackface, red lips, name (The Savage), chains, "tribal" attire, animalistic behavior... Hard to get any more transparent. The only thing it's missing is a banana*.
* For Europeans, the racist stereotypical food of a black person wouldn't necessarily be a watermelon or chicken like in the US, but a banana as a way to depict them as... a monkey, of course.
It's not even that. It's countries that used to enslave and colonize places with black people. Like, I don't even.
"Stop forcing your American viewpoint on a country like Belgium with no history of blackface or Jim Crow"
*Belgian plantation soldiers in Congo murder 2 of a worker's children for delivering under quota*
*Belgian plantation soldiers in Congo murder 2 of a worker's children for delivering under quota*
Yeah, fuck all that "tradition" shit. The character is racist.
The real racists are the people are against this racist depiction of black people or something.
Bloody hell... didn't even know this was a thing.
Bloody hell... didn't even know this was a thing.
weird how they're almost always missing from these threads (and how they suddenly stop preaching when anyone so much as mentions the Roma)
I'm European tho
There's no need to antagonize subcommunities in a completely unprovoked way.
Uh, yikes.
While it technically wasn't a Belgian colony at the time, being a personal holding of its king, Leopold II, the atrocities committed by Congo Free State officials were bad enough that even the other 19th Century colonial European powers thought they were fucked up.
While it technically wasn't a Belgian colony at the time, being a personal holding of its king, Leopold II, the atrocities committed by Congo Free State officials were bad enough that even the other 19th Century colonial European powers thought they were fucked up.
i mean, you might be personally alright, but enough euro posters choke on their own Smug on the subject of race (in also completely unprovoked ways) that i'm really not feeling too bad about antagonizing
I'm sure there are people like that on here (and elsewhere), and that there are enough of them for you to notice them. I'm not doubting that at all.
Here are my 2 problems with posts like yours:
1. While I imagine it's quite easy to know whether the people who are defending these traditions are Europeans, you don't necessarily know who among the critics are also Europeans, therefore making it kinda hard to assess how many of these "non-racist Europe" apologists there actually are;
2. You're creating an antagonism even before a single one of those people has appeared in the thread. 19 people have posted in this thread so far. The only people who've come out as Europeans have criticized the tradition, and nobody has defended it so far. Yet, 4 people are already pretty directly calling out Europeans/European apologists.
Like, seriously, what's with the preemptive snarkiness? What's the point? We can just report them (or even demolish them in the thread, they probably deserve it) and have an actually interesting conversation in the meantime, can't we?
Personally, I'll admit I don't have much to add on the topic. It's an offensively backwards tradition and they should at the very least remove the Savage character entirely, but I'm not from Belgium, nor do I know this tradition, so I can't offer any particular insight other than "colonialism ho!"
Something something don't understand the implications. Like some dickhead isn't chomping at the bit to play the part so they can act out the 'savage'.
Just gut it and everything like it from the festival, there's zero reason for it to be there. Same for all of these other veiled excuses to stay in the headlines once a year over some dumb racist parade, sorry important cultural tradition.
Just gut it and everything like it from the festival, there's zero reason for it to be there. Same for all of these other veiled excuses to stay in the headlines once a year over some dumb racist parade, sorry important cultural tradition.
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Literally just an excuse to act racist. Would there be a remembrance day parade in the uk with some dressing as a nazi?
Nope. It's trash that this is even a conversation, let alone one that's repeated year on year for numerous places with their numerous bullshit traditions/parades.
I'm rarely surprised by public expressions of racism but it definitely gave me pause. Damn.
I'm sure they can find a way to depict Belgium's colonial past in a way that's not a blatant racist stereotype.
Waiting for arguments about how blackfaces isn't racist.
Funny how "non racist" character depictions aren't accurate regarding skin tone let alone other equally arbitrary features. It's almost as if it's actually racist.
Funny how "non racist" character depictions aren't accurate regarding skin tone let alone other equally arbitrary features. It's almost as if it's actually racist.
As a European I can't say it's completely unwarranted. There's been some spectacularly stupid takes around Europe and race issues, with users digging in and fighting the culture fight or suddenly getting confused over exactly what blackface is. Don't call the fire brigade before a fire, sure, but I can see why people are carrying buckets.
After that one thread on the gaming side everyone should understand why. That was a shit show of ignorance. People definitely should chill as no one has defended it yet in this thread but its hard to not be preemptive on this issue of blackface in Europe. Its so fucked up.
User warned: Inflammatory false equivalence
I'm black in Europe. At least I'm not scared to be fucking shot every time I see a policeman , brother.
If the biggest issue you could find to finally get this out of your chest...
in my case i, uh, took one look at that gaming-side thread Green Slime King mentioned and that's why my posts in here exist at all
I need you to digest how my comment has you so upset yet I'm the one that has to deal with fucked up police like you said.....
Plenty of issues to speak on but it also seems you chose to ignore this one and just take a stab at my comment instead
I don't even understand your anger lol
Funny when given every chance not to be racist some folks will jam the accelerator and go full racism without a second thought
The only upside of this I've seen here so far is that it's so bad and so blatant that no one's popping up in the thread to defend it, for once.
Also, for what it's worth, Belgium's the last imperialistic country on earth that should be celebrating their colonial history in any capacity...
Also, for what it's worth, Belgium's the last imperialistic country on earth that should be celebrating their colonial history in any capacity...
Erm... Given that Belgium had by far the worst colonial history ( Leopold the second...) This is one of those instances where there is no way to depict it. Seriously shit was cruel even for slavists and colonialism standards. We are talking hitler plus level
My friend, when disgusting stories come from your country we give you sympathy, empathy and we suffer with you. Immagine my anger, yes you chose the correct word, when I see one of my brothers using an instance of racism in Europe to even things out.
Instead of being angry because this is probably one of the worst cases of racism you can find in western Europe, like you would dream of in a country where minorities have 200 years plus of history, you decide that this is the occasion to settle things between who is more racist.
Yes, I am angry, if in your mind black lives lost are the same thing as a black face costume in a historical carinival in a small country
I'm black in America and I don't give policeman a single thought when I see them. Sounds like you have some issues.
What the hell am I reading?
Ain't no one doing that.
Big fella, my post was me taking a swipe at people who always downplay racial issues in Europe be by claiming it doesn't exist or such issues were "overcame"
if anything, I'm backing the Europeans who face those issues and reinforcing that such racism is a very real thing that happens, even in Europe.
I didn't downplay the issue.
I didn't make any racist olympics comparison
I didn't say European racism is worse than American racism
My comment isn't even targeting you, thats why Im so confused how you extrapolated ALL of those notions from one simple sentence I made.
When European criticize america is for the most gruesome stories, coming here and say "see??? you too!" Means putting the bloody things on the same level, even indirectly.
Language is not an opinion, on purpose or not that's what he's done.
I thought this forum community had gotten past this kind of misinformation when discussing Racism in European countries, but I guess if a discussion topic doesn't have enough Black/Brown European representation this kind of nonsense will still find a way to sneak in even after years of discussions and topics proving otherwise.