Good question, maybe anything that doesn't follow the official reports of what happened?
Speculation never helps, best to just let the experts deal with it.
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Ukrainian Boeing 737 plane carrying 180 passengers on board crashed near Tehran International Airport [IMPORTANT: See Staff Post]
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Speculation never helps, best to just let the experts deal with it.
Do you have background on the field to factually pull from experience or pulling stuff from feelings back?
If latter I feel it's bit unnecessary speculation for the thread.
No it's speculation based on flightpaths of crashes (it's similar to the 737MAX crashes I guess), I agree it's not necessary, was just wondering what would be considered a conspiracy theory in this case.
edit: let me be clear I definitely don't want to say it's not a mechanical failure which is very much possible, just wondering when the mods would consider it veering into conspiracy theory.
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Fuck fuck fuck. I know a lot of people who died. They used to be students at my university. They were here for Christmas holidays and were going back to US/Canada through a connecting flight in Ukraine.
I would consider it conspiracy theory if you ran with the strike idea and starting coming up with perpetrators and reasons for bringing the plane down, but even if you haven't strayed into the realm of conspiracies I still think speculation is a bad idea.
I can't imagine what you must be feeling. I'm so sorry for your loss.
The crash looks nothing like the 737MAX failures. Likely a SAM or severe uncontained engine failure based on shrapnel uniform pierce damage seen in pictures of the crash site. I'm betting on the former. Condolences to the families of the deceased.
My condolences.
I have an Iranian friend that works in the US. I'm going to reach out to them, I hope nothing happened.
82 victims from Iran
63 victims from Canada
11 victims from Ukraine
3 victims from Germany
63 victims from Canada
11 victims from Ukraine
3 victims from Germany
Those 63 Canadians are most likely also Iranian/Canadian dual citizens. What a shitty day it has been. All these lives lost :(
I've used that Ukrainian connecting flight before, it's popular among Iranian students living abroad.
Edit. Who's this Twitter account that's ahead of CNN etc?
Better source:
DUBAI (Reuters) - Iran will not give the black box of the crashed Ukrainian airliner to planemaker Boeing, the head of Tehran's civil aviation organisation was quoted as saying on Wednesday.
Ali Abedzadeh also said it was not clear which country Iran would send the box to so that its data could be analysed, semi-official Mehr news agency reported.
Whilst this is certainly fishy, why would Iran want to bring down this plane? And if not them then who? And if was by accident (i.e. it was taken down by force but misidentified as a target or somehow just hit by accident), then how the fuck would that happen?
It's very odd.
It's very odd.
So increased probability of SAM. The regime is so evil and incompetent.
They need to pay for people who they have killed in the past few decades.
They need to pay for people who they have killed in the past few decades.
If Iran is trying to fuel the conspiracy theory that they shot it down they're doing an amazing job
If it was shot down by anti-air missile it would have been literally blown out of the sky, not just engine catching fire.
They could simply not trust Boeing as an American company not to spin it into Iranian evil over Boeing's failure.
But yeah a SAM is also possible. Or a random militant with an RPG (or heck a rifle if you shoot the kerosene?) who was mad at foreigners.
But yeah a SAM is also possible. Or a random militant with an RPG (or heck a rifle if you shoot the kerosene?) who was mad at foreigners.
it's wild. the spectator index is an unverified twitter account with 1.4 million followers but virtually no web presence? they have a thin af website with a handful of articles from july 8-10, 2019 where you can subscribe to... something. what the fuck. yeah, 95% of those followers were bought.
That's the only thing that is keeping me for going all conspiracy.
The video shows the plane slowly going down instead of falling down.
It's not beyond the realms of possibility, it's happened too many times in the past.
Yet they were correct.
Why would the regime do this? Just seems utterly at odds with the measured approach with the other strikes and doesn't feel like a strong enough American connection anyway.
Fair but if it was just engine catching fire it wouldn't have crashed in a blazing fire without course alteration and the transponder ostensibly stopping.
I wouldn't blame them considering how Boeing has been show to be in the Trump administrations pocket. Government dragging it's feel on grounding the 373 MAX for instance.
don't take flights going through countries like ukraine,tehran, etc.
It could have been full system power failure combined with engine failure.
For AA missile that was way too clean.
I'm not saying it was a SAM, I'm more inclined to believe some kind of accident, but just because Iran knew their response was measured doesn't mean they know if ours will be and just because there's been no retaliation yet by the US I do expect their military will be on high alert for some time. Keep in mind their retaliation to the assassination was several days after the fact so it's not like if the US doesn't respond in 15 minutes and Trump doesn't make a statement right then that everything is all clear and it's business as usual. Likewise the US is likely not going to stand down just because Iran said they were done.
Edit:. Still, accidentally shooting something down that originated from your capital's airport thinking it was an enemy aircraft is stupid as shit, I know dumb shit just happens but still, I don't buy it.
I expect them to give the boxes to France, we'll know more soon enough.
That's a lot of incompetence. Hundreds of miles from the border, where the action was. A commercial flight taking off from the regular airport, presumably on the usual flight path.
Oh man that is awful, I'm sorry to hear about your loss.
This is honestly heartbreaking, planes are scary :(
sure, there are reams of "breaking news" twitter accounts that rush to repost whatever news, rumors, etc. they can find to get clicks. it doesn't make them a legit outlet, lol.
"The Spectator Index" doesn't do any original reporting. They repost news and don't cite sources.