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Ukrainian Boeing 737 plane carrying 180 passengers on board crashed near Tehran International Airport [IMPORTANT: See Staff Post]
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Figures but they couldn't possibly know yet? I mean if it actually is a technical error there should be more details. So the report should be 100% political.
Like how they tried keeping it a secret that they are gunning down protestors in the streets?, Iran will never admit to anything that makes them look bad, even if it's covered in detail everywhere, they just disconnected the internet and ripped them to shreds
Thank you for this, people seriously need to cool it with the uninformed conjecture.
I would say that plane crashes usually go into five categories:
- The weather. That can easily be ruled out. Any country would immediately know if the circumstances were so bad it could have caused a crash.
- Pilot action. The fire rules that out.
- Technical issues.
- Someone shooting it down from outside. This is the one Iran would also know. They would know if they did it, or if another country fired a rocket at their airport.
- Someone taking it down from inside. They can't really rule this out unless they were communicating with the pilot.
But the statement isn't really meant to state that it wasn't a terrorist attack. It is meant to state it wasn't them shooting it down. Iran really can't afford to look like it shot it down. They know what this looks like, so expect Iran to be really open on this investigation.
That's an insane coincidence. Like, it's already an insanely rare event for airplanes to crash, much less turn into balls of fire, but what are the chances that it would happen in Tehran of all cities and a mere hours after Iran's military retaliation? Gonna have to wait and see, but I find it hard to believe there isn't some correlation here.
Bruh, so have I for 10 years. And how is it fearmongering to say maybe they accidentally shot their own plane down? We'll find out for sure either way.
Edit: not their own plane but I think it's clear what I meant.
iranian officials are saying 147 iranian passengers, 32 foreign passengers
glad it's cleared up. no one needs conspiracy theories at a time like this
glad it's cleared up. no one needs conspiracy theories at a time like this
Odds are you will be fine. Commercial airplane travel is extremely safe. The reason fatal crashes are always such big news is because they are so rare.
I don't like flying either but we gotta do it. Come back home to some chop cheese.
If it got hit by a missile it should be fairly easy to assess by looking at the wreckage
Well the initial report was that the engine caught fire during take-off and then the pilot crashed. If the tower was able to see the engine catch fire during takeoff it would plainly be "engine failure." Of course, that's not the end of any investigation, people want to know why something fails not just that it failed.
I have no idea what happened, but it is 100% possible that if the incident happened during takeoff, that either the pilots radioed the tower, another pilot radioed tower or the aircraft or even the tower might have seen it and attempted to radio the aircraft.
There have been engine fires on aircraft that the aircraft behind them in que have called in to stop the plane from taking off, so the idea that it's farfetched that people would know, roughly, that it was an engine failure is absurd.
Of course we haven't got those statements yet, we don't have any recordings from the tower or other aircraft, so it's literally Iran's word right now but it's reasonable that they could know.
If only Western countries could conclusively wrap up investigations as fast as Iran.
It will still take months to complete as they will investigate what caused the technical issue.
The engine failing can take lots of things with it, but man, for it to take down the transponder it must have been catastrophic.
If the video is real, I feel that if something external blew the plane up, it wouldn't take more than half a minute for it to fall down.
It just lifted off the ground.
RIP to everyone on the plane.
If the video is real, I feel that if something external blew the plane up, it wouldn't take more than half a minute for it to fall down.
It just lifted off the ground.
RIP to everyone on the plane.
As bad as the Malaysian flight getting shot down so soon after having their other plane go missing.
Much better than 2 Malaysian Air planes crashing 4 months within each other.
edit: o dang
Staff post
Official Staff Communication
While we understand tensions are high revolving around the US/Iranian hostilities, this thread is about the air crash of a Ukrainian passenger plane that took off from Tehran airport. Do not drift into conspiratorial theories, jingoism regarding the situation with Iran and the US, and remember to check your sources before posting them.
Considering the level of incompetence at play I would expect the US govt to gun down the plane before Iranian govt.
Coincidences are a thing, if it looks like a badly timed accident it doesn't mean it's anything but an accident.
Also planes are safe (says the guy taking a plane in the next few days)
Coincidences are a thing, if it looks like a badly timed accident it doesn't mean it's anything but an accident.
Also planes are safe (says the guy taking a plane in the next few days)
Yeah, I'm not familiar with planes, sorry. It just seems like basically every commercial plane that has gone down recently has been a Boeing. I wasn't aware they were the lead maker.
This could be similar to the Concorde crash in Paris: debris from runway during takeoff impacts plane/gets sucked into engine, disintegrating engine pierces fuel tanks in wing, fire brings down plane.
There's like 2 commercial planes maker anyway.
Boeing is just letting its McDonnel Douglas show...
If the pilots had radioed to declare an emergency then they'd know. We're still waiting for the facts.
I "love" this kind of reasoning.
They didn't say anything right away?
It's because they're putting all their ducks in a row for the cover up.
They said something right away?
It's because they planned it in advance and are pushing the narrative.
Nothing happened?
It's just what they want you to believe!
You can never lose!
Around a quarter of all commercial airplanes flying are Boeing 737s
Surprising amounts of...
... in this thread.
Firstly, RIP to the victims and condolences to hundreds of families.
But a soft counter to your point, which has merit -- it would be surprising last week. Or last month. Is it really surprising today in particular?
Regardless of conspiracy theories - there's nothing even remotely crazy or even paranoid about looking at this selection of facts and wondering if there's human agency at work. We're pattern seeking creatures, built into our DNA. It's an evolutionary trait that has helped us survive and you can't simply turn it off. My instinct is that an engine exploded based on the footage, or something aboard the plane. It's not weather. Could be a small collision with something at about 7k ft. Don't know what. No reports of other air traffic yet.
It's ALWAYS foolish to jump to hard conclusions and it's irresponsible for say a news agency to speculate on cause - and the 24 hour news cycle means that's INEVITABLE and will muddy the issue.
But think about it, you're of medium to high intelligence, are broadly aware of the confluence of geoplitical coincidences here - a Ukrainian airliner taking off from Iran the same day Iran retaliates for a targeted US assassination plot. Ukraine is a country at the center of a growing nexus of domestic and international scandal, buffeted between the two largest rivals of the 20th century and a proxy for corruption from US and Russian leadership.
Their plane takes off from an energy state, likely carrying lots of Ukraiinian energy workers, British citizens, Canadians, Afghanis, Swedes and Germans - maybe an exec or two, nobody huge or they'd be in a private plane, but certainly gas or oil companies and people getting out of the region for safety. The US is busy targeting Iranian energy infrastructure for potential retaliatory strikes. Iran is on high alert for US aggression - our president said he had 52 CULTURAL sites targeted, not military sites. WTF does that mean?
This happened AFTER the Iranian missiles hit Erbil. We don't know what or if the US applied any immediate response to those strikes.
Ukraine already recently suffered an accidental or deliberate destruction of an airliner by a Russian ground to air missile as the direct resulty of illegal Russian gamesmanship and hot war in the Crimea. Then the extra big pollution of the 737 max - the vast majority of the public who're aware of that story don't understand the distinction between the models. They're going to keep bringing that up - which isn't surprising even if it's misguided.
So it could be ANYTHING at this point. History tells us that it's probably a catastrophic but accidental event on the plane. But Occam's Razor is useless in this level of noise to information. We have to wait until lots more information is released and then clarified.
So yes, it would be silly to create a specific narrative, to reach a premature conclusion or to assume agency or malintent, but it's not crazy for a citizen to speculate with the information currently at hand. That's how we're built. We hear an unusual noise in the woods, it's proven safer to assume it's a bear, because the benefit vastly outweighs the minor cost of caution or fearful speculation, even though nine times out of ten it's a falling branch or a deer.
As long as people stick to the facts at hand and don't craft narrative in the gaps, I have no issue with people wondering if there's anything nefarious here, even something as "mundane" as a local sectarian terrorist, a resurgent ISIS plot, or a disgruntled baggage handler or a defective engine component, or a lazy maintainance guy.
Of course the problem with all this noise is that the investigation will be massively complicated by all the factors above, so the more elaborate tinfoil hats will be crafted, no doubt. But I don't think it's crazy to speculate and frankly I'd be surprised if most folks didn't at least sort all these factors and look for a pattern.
The physics involved in those engines are obviously gigantic. If for example a bird strike did minor damage at takeoff, the resulting debris could shake loose later and get sucked into engine cowling - the Concorde example quoted elsewhere and lots of other historical events show that yeah, relatively small events can create massive and catastrophic damage in mid air.
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Apparently there was a 4.5 level quake within 50km of nuclear power plant in Iran... Like what's even going on?!
Earthquakes happen all the time in Iran. It is likely nothing out of the ordinary.
The region has hundreds of earthquakes every year, small temblors, bigger events, it's not unusual. It sucks but it's unrelated except as more trouble for a region going through a lot today.
What's considered a conspiracy theory here? According to the transponder, the plane ended in a straight line. Either the transponder got destroyed immediately, or there was zero warning. These things to me are more indicative of a strike than a plane failure.
