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DeadJoshWalking

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Gawge said:
I keep seeing this assertion of 'elecability' and him being more attractive to people, yet he "has the same goals".

What is it about him that makes him 'electable'? As far as I can tell, it's because he is a standard 'normal' posh man.

One thing I agree with Jess Phillips on is that it would be a bit embarrassing to elect a man in this scenario, given his campaign seems to be centred on the idea that he is an inoffensive posh man who can articulate the same ideas as his more off-putting women rivals.
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There is a bit more to it than 'another posh man', everything you hear about RLB suggests if she wins we'll get 5 more years of Labour fighting itself and not the tories because she has the exact same team behind her, any of the other candidates would be better than that but Starmer is the best positioned because he has the respect of the left for his loyalty to Corbyn and the right for his Brexit stance. I don't really care if the next leader is a man or a woman, I thought Raynor would have been a better choice than RLB but they backroomed us out of having that choice.

Channel 4 is putting out some good stuff that has a lot of the behind the scenes info on the leadership race, recommend everyone interested listening to this:

 
jelly

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Could have done with that a while ago BBC.

When is that Russian report coming out Boris.....



Good day for fisherman. I imagine big firms are going to swallow what remains in the short term.
 

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Cocolina said:
I don't remember her saying her own name once
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If she isn't explicitly saying her own name it's an overabundance of the 1SG and bringing everything around to being about herself. People including myself pick up on it because it relates to one of her attributes I can't stand - she's completely self absorbed.

She's literally just penned an article
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/19/hustings-labour-leader-jess-phillips

ctrl F capital i + space

it's 44
 
*Splinter

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Gawge said:
One thing I agree with Jess Phillips on is that it would be a bit embarrassing to elect a man in this scenario, given his campaign seems to be centred on the idea that he is an inoffensive posh man who can articulate the same ideas as his more off-putting women rivals.
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Where has his campaign focused on this? His main pitch seems to be more along the lines of uniting the different factions of the Labour party (see his staffing choices for example), selling socialism to the public, and pointing at his record in fighting inequality.

"He's the same but electable" is an attack line, not a sales pitch.
 
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JediTimeBoy

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FliXFantatier said:
Wut?
I thought he has a historic majority. Surely this is a bad look right?
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"But despite their emphatic victory in December's general election, the Conservatives do not have a majority in the Lords and have suffered a series of defeats during the bill's passage through the unelected House. "


No, he'll just blame HoL and push for abolishment lol.

Btw, look at how the BBC highlight the fact the HoL is unelected lol. Once again, doing Boris' dirty work.
 
JediTimeBoy

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"The BBC was warned on Monday that it is facing a "dangerous moment" as Conservative MPs seized on the departure of director general Tony Hall to call for an overhaul of its funding model and an end to the licence fee.

John Whittingdale, the former culture secretary, led calls for a debate on the BBC's funding model to start as soon as its mid-term review in 2022, arguing that Hall's replacement would have to consider how the broadcaster can compete in the Netflix era.

The Tory MP, who negotiated the 2016 charter renewal and is tipped for a possible return to his old job in the reshuffle, told the Guardian: "The massive increase in streamed content and the proliferation of subscription services does raise questions about the sustainability and how we continue to support public service broadcasting generally and also the future of the licence fee."
 
DeadJoshWalking

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I mean...we have to debate the funding model at some point, seems like before they hire a new director general would be the perfect time.
 
rabathehutch

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PJV3 said:
That's probably better for her future career as she seems to want a more combative competition which the party doesn't seem in the mood for. But it also makes a fairly dull competition even less interesting if you want to see or hear anything that hasn't been rehearsed to death.
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Yeah, say what you want about Phillips but she can be an interesting character. Pretty big boost for Starmer and I don't think Thornberry will make it onto the ballot either so the main question is whether Nandy will.
 
Garfield

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It is just a HOL defeat, means nothing, the Tories will send it back and the Lords will pass it
 
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FliX

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JediTimeBoy said:
"But despite their emphatic victory in December's general election, the Conservatives do not have a majority in the Lords and have suffered a series of defeats during the bill's passage through the unelected House. "


No, he'll just blame HoL and push for abolishment lol.

Btw, look at how the BBC highlight the fact the HoL is unelected lol. Once again, doing Boris' dirty work.
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I didn't realize it as the HOL. Should have read the article instead of reacting to the heading. 😬
 
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PJV3 said:
That's probably better for her future career as she seems to want a more combative competition which the party doesn't seem in the mood for. But it also makes a fairly dull competition even less interesting if you want to see or hear anything that hasn't been rehearsed to death.
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Not a Philips supporter, but the requirement to get the unions/CLP's on board with your candidacy means that the field is being narrowed somewhat, the complete opposite of what the reforms to MP thresholds intended.

 

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The jess Phillips flopathon is good news for everyone. Sure the contest becomes a little boring but the sooner the Murdoch loving careerist is out of the picture the better. She is a nothing politician.

Makes me laugh when Twitter personalities think fucking starmer is a centrist when he have an honest to god one in the shape of Philips. One of the last prominent blairites left in the party.

Should make the path for starmer a fair bit easier too.
 
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solidussnaku said:
The jess Phillips flopathon is good news for everyone. Sure the contest becomes a little boring but the sooner the Murdoch loving careerist is out of the picture the better. She is a nothing politician.

Makes me laugh when Twitter personalities think fucking starmer is a centrist when he have an honest to god one in the shape of Philips. One of the last prominent blairites left in the party.

Should make the path for starmer a fair bit easier too.
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Is he closer to Blair than Corbyn politically?
 
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SlumberingGiant said:
Jess is the new Chuka, atleast she showed up for one thing I guess. Why was there so much hype behind her?
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Because she's so vocal in Parliament? Dunno, I'm just guessing.


SlumberingGiant said:
He campaigned against the Iraq war and says he won't reverse the core radicalism of the Corbyn policy platform. Good enough for me.
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Yeah, it was just because you mentioned the Twitter thing, and personally I don't know much about him, so I thought I'd ask.
 
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SlumberingGiant said:
He campaigned against the Iraq war and says he won't reverse the core radicalism of the Corbyn policy platform. Good enough for me.
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Given that both Starmer and RLB apparently support the policies offered at the last GE, then i'll vote for the person who wrote those policies (RLB).

If Starmer has issues with some of it, and wants to make tangible changes in areas, then I want to hear what those are.
 
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devastated they've cancelled my favourite tv show - jess phillip's incompetent leadership run
 
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Ending my self imposed exile from anything resembling politics for just long enough to fucking lol at Jess Phillips.

If only her utter failure to be noticed would have any lasting effect on her desperate desire to be the centre of attention.
 

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Jess Phillips didn't get the backing of any unions or affiliates and only just got over the MP threshold. Her own CLP didn't even back her.

What a disaster.
 
Syder

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I feel like 90% of it was just noise generated by Phillips herself, her tiny fanbase and people who hate her.

It was always best to just ignore and focus on candidates that could actually win.
 

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Gawge said:
Given that both Starmer and RLB apparently support the policies offered at the last GE, then i'll vote for the person who wrote those policies (RLB).

If Starmer has issues with some of it, and wants to make tangible changes in areas, then I want to hear what those are.
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That may be a problem with voters though.

Nothing against her personally - she seems perfectly competent, but she is seen as the continuity candidate for a reason, and she's not hiding away from that.

Idk, maybe I'm overthinking it and her not being Corbyn may be enough - I just think Labour need a cleaner break than someone who was front and centre during the campaign
 
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On the back Javid's earlier pronouncements that's we are going to diverge in rules from the EU. It looks that we will end a bare bones basic trade deal that is worse than Canada or Japan. In particular the EU won't give mutual recognition to UK standards and thus exporting UK manufacturers will have to deal with the burden of ensuring and proving that their products are to the relevant EU standards.

If I was a employee in a business who's primary export of goods or services is to the EU, I'd be looking for another job sooner rather than later.
 
CampFreddie

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Syder said:
I feel like 90% of it was just noise generated by Phillips herself, her tiny fanbase and people who hate her.

It was always best to just ignore and focus on candidates that could actually win.
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The media wanted Jess because she'd provide the drama they want for page views. Now it's just 3 people politely debating the importance of socialism/unity/towns.
 
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Well that's two former Australian PMs telling the UK that we are making a massive mistake.
 
ProstatePuncher

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Its funny you don't hear mention of "Project Fear" anymore, now that we're seeing the reality of it come to pass. Nobody is gonna be favourable with the UK currently in a supine position.
 

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JediTimeBoy said:
Is he closer to Blair than Corbyn politically?
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Yep, much closer. Which makes the accusations all the more difficult to even consider understanding. Are there more left leaning mps and people in the party then him? Sure, and those people just got their asses handed to them in the worst defeat for labour in decades.

As for the trade deal news, eh. Stopped giving a single fuck about this God forsaken country and the tory and leave voters as soon as the results of the election came in. Ignorant as shit Population of this country chose its path despite all the warnings and dangers, and now they need to fucking walk it and own it.

Tories can speak a big game but as soo as the eu trade deal talks begin they will fold fucking fast. They did so last year and will do again. EU will apply pressure where necessary to get what they want. Tories will be desperate to avoid a recession. Doesn't fit in with the short term unpopularity Cummings wants. Tories are lying fucks who will fuck over everyone else as long as it benefits them, only today was it announced that bojo will drop the 30k wage target for people immigrating to the UK.
 
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On the back Javid's earlier pronouncements that's we are going to diverge in rules from the EU. It looks that we will end a bare bones basic trade deal that is worse than Canada or Japan. In particular the EU won't give mutual recognition to UK standards and thus exporting UK manufacturers will have to deal with the burden of ensuring and proving that their products are to the relevant EU standards.

If I was a employee in a business who's primary export of goods or services is to the EU, I'd be looking for another job sooner rather than later.
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At least the UK will no longer have to deal with all that red tape from the EU.
...oh...
 
Zaph

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On the back Javid's earlier pronouncements that's we are going to diverge in rules from the EU. It looks that we will end a bare bones basic trade deal that is worse than Canada or Japan. In particular the EU won't give mutual recognition to UK standards and thus exporting UK manufacturers will have to deal with the burden of ensuring and proving that their products are to the relevant EU standards.

If I was a employee in a business who's primary export of goods or services is to the EU, I'd be looking for another job sooner rather than later.
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At best its going to end up like the Trump/California car emissions mess - we'll chest-thump about British rules for British people, meanwhile any sensible business will voluntarily follow EU standards.
 
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Why so much stupidity?? We had free movement for artists. Going forward we won't.
 
Koukalaka

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Why so much stupidity?? We had free movement for artists. Going forward we won't.
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This is also friggin' hilarious when you consider the amount of shit a lot of artists/performers/creative types from outside the EU have to deal with every year when they're coming to Edinburgh for the Festival, courtesy of the Home Office.
 
Garfield

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Not sure anyone cares anymore

but the Brexit bill passed today and all Lords amendments were rejected so the lords passed the bill

all it is now is Royal Accent.
 
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