i'm terrified it'll come down to like RLB or Phillips and the Guardian will work everyone into voting for Phillips cause they'll complain it's illegitimate if RLB wins
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Which, yeah, the Guardian's Jess Philliips support is only going to increase now she's liking TERF tweets (again)
If she's in the final two then we may as well pack up the party and join the Libdem's/tories.
It's weird how terfs are also racist... and Jess is also both of them...
I think I'm the odd one out here. Clive's article is totally WTF? to me.
We lost because people on the doorstep said we were too Blairite and blamed is for the legacy of the 90's?
We need to be more radical, socialist and put the members in control?
I guess he's just writing to the membership with this article, since they're the only ones that matter for the vote.
Literally no one switched from Labour to Tory because they thought Corbyn was too centrist or because they wanted more radical socialist policies or their MPs replaced by momentum candidates.
I want to like Clive Lewis, because labour could use a young charismatic leader instead of an old Bennite from the 70's. But a more radical Labour party, totally controlled (sorry, "democratised") by momentum would reduce them to the party of university cities. You can't just wait for demographic shift as boomers die, while Boris drags the Overton Window ever-closer to fascism.
A return to New labour would be terrible too, but they can only win votes back if they come across as credible. Explain exactly what you'll do to help people have better lives. Don't campaign on ideological socialist stuff like nationalisation and attacking the bourgeoisie.
Edit: Phillips is a million times worse than any other option though. She'll rip the party apart in the name of radical white Mumsnet centrism.
You realise that's the only policy pitch of his article, right? Crafting an actual narrative.
Yeah, I think I just remembered the rankings, had a look back at Corbyn's original run and I was a bit surprised to see Burnham got 50% of the members, I thought Corbyn blew everyone away for some reason.
I do actually kind of agree with you, I don't mind the project to create a viable and radical left wing party, but I want the electoral reform first because it isn't going to be pretty. A soft left party can break away and the Labour name will be something less valuable in a proportional system.
Hopefully he'll expand on this stuff during his campaign.
Not at all, but it's so bizarre that the main Conservative pledge was to basically 'end the gridlock' and go back to this embarrassing shit. There's no fucking way those who flipped Conservative this election want to see our politicians acting like that while people 'just about manage', die on waiting lists and freeze on the streets.
Hmm, they expect it, I expect it, it's a fantasy palace full of privileged people and it's the first day of term. Due to the majority and the state of their leader I'm expecting the stench of corruption to return in a big way to Westminster, the arrogance levels must be off the charts.
People want their vote vindicated and that's what they're getting. It's the first day of this parliament and everyone is hyped because the leaders have been there and given rousing speeches. Any time the leaders are there it's a complete pantomime, just look at PMQs. Parliament will settle down and become a boring monologue-fest soon enough.
Boris seems to be wasting a lot of time on stuff that isn't really making much difference to the average guy. Laws that tell a government with a huge majority to spend money on the NHS, leave the EU by a certain date, pissing about with the supreme Court, you would think he would crack on with other stuff.
Yeah, but I remember Blair saying he wish he hadn't wasted the very beginning of his time as things can get bogged down pretty quickly.
Lol, I guess I'm hoping he keeps passing shit legislation that doesn't actually do much and/or is easy to undo.
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What's the likelihood this goes through?
It's bad enough now, let alone with those boundaries...
The tories are always insufferable in parliament, standing up to arselick the current PM one after another. Tories with a majority means that's gonna be it for weeks.
I wonder how that going to work for postal votes. I also want to know why tories seemed to know postal vote contents..
Good article on the state of liberals and FBPE types
https://jacobinmag.com/2019/12/remainers-brexit-labour-party-jeremy-corbyn-boris-johnson
It's like poetry
Well okay it was a little more complex than that, but this comes painfully close
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Some keen eyed journalist noticed this morning on the radio. 160 sitting days in a usual parliament. That only gives 5.5 days per legislation that was promised.
so a load of what we heard in the queens speech will get dropped
so a load of what we heard in the queens speech will get dropped
God... if we get our second indyref, I hope we win it. Get the fuck away from this shit show.
It's never going to be as effective as the stuff they try to pull in the US, the vast size of states means they can really fuck with people by cutting access.
This is an example of the kinds of gammon we have in Scotland. It's always either Rangers fans or military.
They're as unhinged as the gun nuts in America.
I love John Crace.
lol, I thought that tweet was going to be relatively run of the mill/harmless until I got to the end...yikes
If we ever vote to be independent there is a good chance some of the Rangers fans and ex-military are big enough yobs to start violence or worse.
As I said they are like the gun nuts in America who think they're defending themselves (try to take our guns and we'll kill you) when it comes to Queen and Country. As in, they literally think the Queen and Country is under attack and must be defended.
History will not remember any of these crazy fucks kindly. The Queen doesn't give a single shit about any of you.
Speaking of rustling jimmies
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I think the boundary changes maybe some hoohah over nothing, at least in terms of allegations of gerrymandering. It's likely to just be implementation of the 2011 and 2018 reviews that never happened cos Cameron and Clegg had a barney over it and then Brexits took priority.
MSM managed to travel even further down the gutter.
Between boundary changes, the ongoing deterioration of the press, and the seeming inevitability of Scottish independence - which, don't get me wrong, I'm not opposed to - I'm starting to worry that we might never be free of the Tories again.
Only chance we realistically have is somehow winning just one more election under FPTP - likely though a big rainbow coalition, if it's even possible at all - and then somehow convincing the public to back voting system reform this time, I guess.
Eh, I dunno, maybe I'm feeling too cynical after, well, everything since 2016 - and, to an extent, everything since 2010 - but it's starting to seem like there might not be a light at the end of the tunnel.
Only chance we realistically have is somehow winning just one more election under FPTP - likely though a big rainbow coalition, if it's even possible at all - and then somehow convincing the public to back voting system reform this time, I guess.
Eh, I dunno, maybe I'm feeling too cynical after, well, everything since 2016 - and, to an extent, everything since 2010 - but it's starting to seem like there might not be a light at the end of the tunnel.
I've only the vaguest memory of what happened here, but wasn't the big hoohah that the new boundaries are drawn based on the electorate rather than the population?
Under the old system each MP would end up representing about the same number of people, under the new one they'd be voted for by about the same number of people. There's a big discrepancy between the two figures particularly in inner city areas with larger numbers of people who can't vote.
Oh I'm not sure what the Cam vs Clegg beef was about just that the proposed changes aren't Johnson's governments doing and are still the Boundary Commission's doing.
It was very noticeable this election that when purdah kicked in, coverage of Labour got even worse.
Yeah, I think in Labour areas the percentage of registered electors isn't as high as tory ones. I get what Cocolina is saying but the government still sets the formula for the boundary commission to follow.
Oh good just flipped open the metro on the train
A mother died after waiting 6 hours in the street for an ambulance
The Tories are going to look at "updating" treason laws
Day 7
A mother died after waiting 6 hours in the street for an ambulance
The Tories are going to look at "updating" treason laws
Day 7
all caused because ambulances can not hand over patients to A+E without room, my dad a week ago was kept in the parking lot for 5 hours waiting to go into A+E
this winter will be fun, but let's not fool ourselves this would not be any different under Labour if they had won...will take years for any changes to filter down
I see the peoples vote are not disbanding, guess people are the top are making lots of cash...
it is done, Brexit is done. Time to move on, I hope the opposition parties don't spend the next 5 years banging on about another referendum
except the SNP obviously as it is their MO.
it is done, Brexit is done. Time to move on, I hope the opposition parties don't spend the next 5 years banging on about another referendum
except the SNP obviously as it is their MO.
Lol, all that queen and country and "We are british" shit.
It's like they don't seem to understand that WM and Boris Johnson in particular (one reply even has a Boris is my PM style thing in their name) doesn't give a fuck about anyone up here.
Many English Nationalists on twitter have even said stuff like "Boris Johnson will TELL you what to do" and other stuff like we're owned by the English rather than being 'equal partners of the Union' like was meant to be.
I'm proud to be Scottish right now. I am not proud to be British whatsoever.
I could understand someone thinking that Scotland is better off in the UK, the financial risks, just being part of a biased unfair economy that may benefit them individually, thinking there should be less division not more etc, but unless it's just the ones that get posted on here, why are they crazy deranged royalists?
I didn't know they existed in such numbers.
I didn't know they existed in such numbers.