UK Parliament doesn't agree to Brexit deal; vote to delay exit

Principate · Oct 19, 2019

Trafalgar Law said:
Honestly I'm here now , sometimes it's hard lessons that get people to learn

Since when have people ever learn shit? If someone is dead set in their opinion very rarely will they admit they were wrong, they'll shift the blame or act like they never held the opinion but they by and large most people don't learn from hardship.

Look at WW2. The still people alive that fought in the war and plenty have parents who were effected. Nazism is back on the rise however. Does that sound like people learnt shit?

Your far more likely to convince someone about something they're neutral or have opinions on one way or another than someone dead set on something regardless of the consequences.

T8SC · Oct 19, 2019

7aged said:
No for 2 reasons:

1) Nobody can truthfully say that this is what they voted for in 2016. Neither the deal nor crashing without a deal is anything like what was promised by Leave.
2) It's much harder to rejoin after leaving, and the UK will never reclaim the current arrangement it has.

1) Are you saying it was fixed? From what I've read, the public are still more in favour of leave.
2) Why is rejoining a thing? The people want to leave. Give them what they want.

Deleted member 5359 · Oct 19, 2019

nekkid said:
People say that, but then even Boris Johnson has environmental considerations in his policies. BJ is a cunt, but you wouldn't get Trump introducing the shared push bike systems we have in the UK.

Trump just killed hundreds of our own allies.

Sir Hound · Oct 19, 2019

Hinkypunk said:
Congrats UK on being the laughing stock of the world. And fighting to the death to preserve it.

As a Canadian myself, Brexit is honestly worse than the Trump Administration. Perhaps the greatest disgrace in modern history.

Your politicians are despicable.

First of all you come off like a smug fucking prick.

With that out of my system what would actually be despicable is allowing Brexit to just happen, allowing the consequences to wreck economic havoc on generations, completely unopposed. That would be madness and what you're witnessing are the contortions necessary in overturning what was a very clear democratic mandate.

Wilson · Oct 19, 2019

Hinkypunk said:
Congrats UK on being the laughing stock of the world. And fighting to the death to preserve it.

As a Canadian myself, Brexit is honestly worse than the Trump Administration. Perhaps the greatest disgrace in modern history.

Your politicians are despicable.

Brexit is a fucking mess but at least we aren't running concentration camps at the border.

It’s Time To Go · Oct 19, 2019

Hinkypunk said:
Congrats UK on being the laughing stock of the world. And fighting to the death to preserve it.

As a Canadian myself, Brexit is honestly worse than the Trump Administration. Perhaps the greatest disgrace in modern history.

Your politicians are despicable.

Do you have any self awareness about your own country? People in glass houses and all that.

Bleu · Oct 19, 2019

well, there is no doubt about the fact that brexit is worse for the uk than Trump is for the US.
The us will maybe vote Trump out and attempt to fix and reverse things, it is still possible.
Brexit if it happens is irreparable damage to the UK, once they are out of the EU they won't come back, and Scotland will probably want out of the union.

Brotherhood93 · Oct 19, 2019

T8SC said:
1) Are you saying it was fixed? From what I've read, the public are still more in favour of leave.
2) Why is rejoining a thing? The people want to leave. Give them what they want.

No, all polls on another referendum show a trend towards Remain. All Westminster polls have a larger vote share for Remain/2nd referendum parties.

People who say "just leave", no matter what is on the table, are advocating for irrevocable damage to the poorest people in our country.

T8SC · Oct 19, 2019

Brotherhood93 said:
No, all polls on another referendum show a trend towards Remain. All Westminster polls have a larger vote share for Remain/2nd referendum parties.

People who say "just leave", no matter what is on the table, are advocating for irrevocable damage to the poorest people in our country.

So what? We just keep doing this merry-go-round, over & over in the process pissing off our own communities in England, Wales, Scotland & NI, also pissing off all the EU states whilst we try in vain to ... lets be honest, cancel Brexit which itself will cause a shitstorm among all those who voted leave in 2016. It's 2020 in a few month, this charade needs to end. People, including me, are tired of it. The vote was to leave. If people are too stupid to research what that means then thats another matter but unfortuntely this country is full of stupid people.

Brotherhood93 · Oct 19, 2019

T8SC said:
So what? We just keep doing this merry-go-round, over & over in the process pissing off our own communities in England, Wales, Scotland & NI, also pissing off all the EU states whilst we try in vain to ... lets be honest, cancel Brexit which itself will cause a shitstorm among all those who voted leave in 2016. It's 2020 in a few month, this charade needs to end. People, including me, are tired of it. The vote was to leave. If people are too stupid to research what that means then thats another matter but unfortuntely this country is full of stupid people.

This is not how we make decisions that will affect our country for generations. Let the Government get their way because we can't agree, the obvious answer is to put it to a public vote. If this is indeed what the majority want it will pass. There is no uniting the country, it is divided and will continue to be divided but it is no good excuse for pushing through extremely damaging legislation. I couldn't give a shit if you are tired of it nor should our MPs.

Kernel · Oct 19, 2019

Hinkypunk said:
Congrats UK on being the laughing stock of the world. And fighting to the death to preserve it.

As a Canadian myself, Brexit is honestly worse than the Trump Administration. Perhaps the greatest disgrace in modern history.

Your politicians are despicable.

Well in Canada we are trying to keep our Trump out of office so we might be the butt of jokes Monday night.

show me your skeleton · Oct 19, 2019

Hinkypunk said:
As a Canadian myself, Brexit is honestly worse than the Trump Administration. Perhaps the greatest disgrace in modern history.

Your politicians are despicable.

this post is dog shit. jesus christ.

7aged · Oct 19, 2019

T8SC said:
1) Are you saying it was fixed? From what I've read, the public are still more in favour of leave.
2) Why is rejoining a thing? The people want to leave. Give them what they want.

1)
- That can be easily ascertained with a confirmatory vote, which leave opposes
- Amongst the many flaws of the 2016 ref, was that there wasn't a specified alternative to the status quo to vote on, let alone a viable one.

2) Illustrating the permanent damage of Brexit. Once we leave there's no going back to what we have now. People just don't grasp the severity of this. There's no putting back humpty dumpty together again.

LastCaress · Oct 19, 2019

Can't the EU just expel UK? I sure hope they would.

T8SC · Oct 19, 2019

7aged said:
1)
- That can be easily ascertained with a confirmatory vote, which leave opposes
- Amongst the many flaws of the 2016 ref, was that there wasn't a specified alternative to the status quo to vote on, let alone a viable one.

2) Illustrating the permanent damage of Brexit. Once we leave there's no going back to what we have now. People just don't grasp the severity of this. There's no putting back humpty dumpty together again.

Those are the problems.

So what's your solution?

Renna Hazel · Oct 19, 2019

Principate said:
Only someone who isn't black would say this. Or any visible minority.

I think I'd rather be in the US just based on minority populations and voting trends.

Tygre · Oct 19, 2019

empyrean2k said:
If he was was confident of it passing he would of held a vote on it he wasn't so he pulled it.

The motion was moved, as was an amendment. The amendment was voted on and won. The motion, as amended, was passed without a vote.

Nobody "pulled" anything.

Dan · Oct 19, 2019

The title is misleading. Parliament voted to an amendment of the bill that the Government was very much against. There was supposed to be a vote on the Johnson deal afterwards.

The meaningful vote for the deal will be on Monday.

saenima · Oct 19, 2019

T8SC said:
So what? We just keep doing this merry-go-round, over & over in the process pissing off our own communities in England, Wales, Scotland & NI, also pissing off all the EU states whilst we try in vain to ... lets be honest, cancel Brexit which itself will cause a shitstorm among all those who voted leave in 2016. It's 2020 in a few month, this charade needs to end. People, including me, are tired of it. The vote was to leave. If people are too stupid to research what that means then thats another matter but unfortuntely this country is full of stupid people.

This is like realizing you made a very stupid decision and are driving straight into the abyss, but instead of just stopping right there and then you go 'well i made a very stupid decision 3 years ago so i guess i have to keep going.'

There should never have been a referendum in the first place, much less so one based on straight up demonstrable lies and racist propaganda. Johnson, Farage and many others should be in jail. And before you invoke the will of the people, all polls now say that the majority wants to remain. So leaving at this point is effectively going against the will of the people.

captainmal01 · Oct 19, 2019

Hinkypunk said:
Congrats UK on being the laughing stock of the world. And fighting to the death to preserve it.

As a Canadian myself, Brexit is honestly worse than the Trump Administration. Perhaps the greatest disgrace in modern history.

Your politicians are despicable.

Extremely hyperbolic when you have shit like China and Turkey's genocidal streaks, Israel's cunty behaviour in Palestine, Saudi Arabia's actions in the Middle East and exporting terrorism, etc.
And the Trump administration installed literal concentration camps. Get some perspective.

T8SC · Oct 19, 2019

saenima said:
This is like realizing you made a very stupid decision and are driving straight into the abyss, but instead of just stopping right there and then you go 'well i made a very stupid decision 3 years ago so i guess i have to keep going.'

Where is my (or anyones for that matter) option to revoke a vote? Maybe if that was an option, like it could be in real life if you quit a job or split with a partner.

There should never have been a referendum in the first place

But there was one and now we're in the aftermath.

nekkid · Oct 19, 2019

Hinkypunk said:
Congrats UK on being the laughing stock of the world. And fighting to the death to preserve it.

As a Canadian myself, Brexit is honestly worse than the Trump Administration. Perhaps the greatest disgrace in modern history.

Your politicians are despicable.

I hope you put a towel on in that glass house of yours.

Pata Hikari · Oct 19, 2019

Valiant said:
So is this what the British Parliament are going to do? Keep delaying it forever?

So they can have their cake and eat it to?

The Eternal Brexit.

Deleted member 835 · Oct 19, 2019

plagiarize said:
I'd rather be in the US than the UK.

Not because Trump isn't a goddamn monster, but because we actually have a couple of completely plausible (though not without risk) paths out of this mess. The UK has no clear path out of this completely self made mess that doesn't bring with it a lot of pain.

I wouldn't. You have cops killing black people all over the place, you have no nhs, big businesses rule your country etc. I say this as a guy that was born in Jamaica than moved to US then UK.

mercenar1e · Oct 19, 2019

The EU should just boot there ass out and stop playing games with these kids.

Dennis8K · Oct 19, 2019

Meanwhile I applied for two jobs in the UK.

Wish me luck!

Gawge · Oct 19, 2019

Hinkypunk said:
Congrats UK on being the laughing stock of the world.

This whole 'football team' view of national politics is so frustrating. Yes, people from other countries commenting on other nations politics saying it is "embarrassing" or generally passing comparative judgement trying to appear 'better' is at best unhelpful. However, it is worse when adopted in relation to your own nations politics. The goal is to appear progressive/competent/successful/cosmopolitan, rather than having any sort of ideological goal. That's the kind of empty politics that leads to people like Trump, and votes like Brexit.

Deleted member 835 · Oct 19, 2019

mercenar1e said:
The EU should just boot there ass out and stop playing games with these kids.

Wanting a hard brexit were people die isn't a good look

Acorn · Oct 19, 2019

Dennis8K said:
Meanwhile I applied for two jobs in the UK.

Wish me luck!

Aren't you Danish? Why the hell would you want to leave there to be here?

Rassilon · Oct 19, 2019

It's good to see all these thoughtful and empathetic posts, certainly no hot takes from uninformed punters

saenima · Oct 19, 2019

T8SC said:
Where is my (or anyones for that matter) option to revoke a vote? Maybe if that was an option, like it could be in real life if you quit

It's not with silent acquiescence that Brexit will stop. No matter how tired you are of hearing about it.

Tugatrix · Oct 19, 2019

I expect this to be over by the year 3000

Dennis8K · Oct 19, 2019

Acorn said:
Aren't you Danish? Why the hell would you want to leave there to be here?

I have been living in the US for the last five years.

Acorn · Oct 19, 2019

Tugatrix said:
I expect this to be over by the year 3000

Not much has changed but we live underwater

Busted - Year 3000

youtu.be

Acorn · Oct 19, 2019

Dennis8K said:
I have been living in the US for the last five years.

Ahh okay.

Deleted member 835 · Oct 19, 2019

plagiarize said:
Discrimination against black people and other minorities has significantly risen in the UK since the Brexit vote with no clear signs of reversing course any time soon.

It's been rising against black people at a higher rate than other groups.

Still don't end up dead

Zvonimir Boban · Oct 19, 2019

Acorn said:
Aren't you Danish? Why the hell would you want to leave there to be here?

They don't have test cricket.

mercenar1e · Oct 19, 2019

Rassilon said:
It's good to see all these thoughtful and empathetic posts, certainly no hot takes from uninformed punters

I gave it as much thought as the British people did when they voted to leave. It's time to send them packing EU.

Deleted member 721 · Oct 19, 2019

i've read that boris will not ask for the delay, what will happen? can the parliament ask for the delay?

Deleted member 543 · Oct 19, 2019

mercenar1e said:
I gave it as much thought as the British people did when they voted to leave. It's time to send them packing EU.

That's not something to be proud of.

A lot of EU countries will be fucked by Brexit, so it's in the EU's best interest to mitigate the damage as much as possible.

Dyno · Oct 19, 2019

mercenar1e said:
I gave it as much thought as the British people did when they voted to leave. It's time to send them packing EU.

Oh hey I guess half of the people is now the entirety of the people. Nobody at all was against this huh. You realise this is like me saying 100% of Americans are fine with putting children in internment camps right?

Eoin · Oct 19, 2019

LastCaress said:
Can't the EU just expel UK? I sure hope they would.

The EU can't expel a member state. If they could, they still wouldn't expel the UK.

Prometheus. · Oct 19, 2019

Hundreds of years of British parliamentary tradition vs Boris Johnson's ego.

Hmmm....

Gareth · Oct 19, 2019

mercenar1e said:
The EU should just boot there ass out and stop playing games with these kids.

And then what happens to Ireland? Full member of the EU sharing an open border with the UK. Kick the UK out = no deal brexit and a hard border with customs checks through Ireland with over 200 border crossing points. Do you know the history of Northern Ireland and the Troubles? Have you heard of the Good Friday Agreement, an international agreement that helped bring peace to Ireland? A hard border would tear that up.

7aged · Oct 19, 2019

Eylos said:
i've read that boris will not ask for the delay, what will happen? can the parliament ask for the delay?

Court sitting on Monday morning. If he hasn't sent the letter tonight, then they can rule compelling him to do so, or have the speaker do it on his behalf.

Acorn · Oct 19, 2019

Zvonimir Boban said:
They don't have test cricket.

Another positive lol

Zvonimir Boban · Oct 19, 2019

Acorn said:
Another positive lol

Knife crime is about go up by one...

iapetus · Oct 19, 2019

Jacknapes said:
So, if Boris refuses to adhere to the law, can Parliament force him out?

Parliament can force him out anyway - there's a clear majority for a vote of no confidence in the fucker. The problem is what would happen next - if the opposition couldn't form a government themselves (which would be difficult to negotiate) within a short period of time, it would trigger a general election, which the current government would organise, giving them free reign to set the time after the current Brexit cliff-edge and send us out with no deal.

Mivey · Oct 19, 2019

Dust said:
Is infinite delay the end game here?

UK speaking to the rest of the EU:

Principate · Oct 19, 2019

The irony being the DUP switching gears might end up being the thing that finally ends the deadlock. What a sad state of affairs.

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