Pretty sure 92 million was the "reach" i.e. how many people's feeds it has appeared on. Views of the video on twitter are just over 10m.
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UK General Election 12th December 2019 |OT1| Hindsight is 20/19 (Tory majority confirmed)
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Eh, 'totally useless' downplays the fact that SF has been working hard to ensure concessions are obtained in the event of Brexit, as evidenced by some of the changes to the Brexit deal concerning the north. Important shit in this place doesn't normally happen in the House of Commons via votes anyways. See the GFA for example, which was discussed and negotiated on behind the scenes. Besides, even from a neutral perspective, better a neutral progressive MP than an actively harmful one, AKA a DUP MP. Depending on where you live, I'd hope you vote against the fiends regardless.
Also, taking their seats in parliament would mean jack shit if the Tories got a majority anyways.
Yeah not sure why they took it down, but they did another Tweet with similar wording, but removing the reach statistical metrics screenshot.
Sturgeon was here? Was just in town must of missed them.
Gonna be doing what I can, but in my constituency, the 2nd place Alliance candidate is 20'000 votes being the DUP candidate. It's a sad state of affairs altogether.
Westminster constituencies are weird af like that. See 2010 in the north of Ireland for further info on how fucked the FTFP is. I legit sympathise with ya, the sheer lack of contest in some constituencies is horrible. Hell, it actually actively benefits my constituency and it still makes me feel bad for it. :c
So the Guardian has a piece where it's said that Jewish voters are turning away from Labour "in droves". I wonder how long until Israel states that voting for Labour is AS.
Had a Tory try campaign at our door this morning. Had the cheek to ask for 5 minutes of my wifes time while shes on the phone to the local mental health services since shes been having suicidal thoughts thanks to the austerity flung uppns us by these cunts.
I'm glad I didnt answer tbh, I think I'd have been aiming for him to swallow his teeth.
I'm glad I didnt answer tbh, I think I'd have been aiming for him to swallow his teeth.
legit thought WASPI was like
white and socially privelaged (something beginning with i)
but then i'm an idiot
Maybe I've just led a sheltered life but I really don't see antisemitism as a big problem in the UK. Until this election I don't think I've ever heard anyone mention it and I don't think I've ever heard anyone say anything antisemitic in person. Other forms of discrimination on the other hand...
WASP (minus the I) used to mean "White Anglo-Saxon Protestant" so I too was wary when I first heard the term.
It gets a lot less publicity usually but it is definitely a big problem in the UK. That it's relatively unknown by a lot of people makes it worse.
That it also gets muddied by people lumping in any criticism of Israel doesn't help either.
It's there, it's just much harder to spot/behaves differently. For starters, despite the stereotypes, Jewish people aren't easily visually identifiable compared to other minorities. Antisemitism in the UK is, generally, a lot more subtle and dog-whistley.
A good example of this is how a lot of people talk about George (((Soros))). The way people have talked about him drips with the antisemitic tropes of Jews hoarding money and seeking to control the global order.
Personally, as a Jewish person myself, I'm just disgusted that the Tories, the media and their ilk have cynically used the subject of antisemitism to further their own political agenda. Not to say Labour doesn't have a problem - it clearly does. But, the far right disingenuously screeching about antisemitism on the left does a massive disservice to victims of hate crimes, and makes it harder in future for people to discern what systemic prejudice actually is.
Anti-semitism isn't as overt as discrimination against other more visible minorities. It's more often the "Jews controlling the media/economy" type of comments rather than "We should control Jewish immigration" type.
Yes it is fucking insane. I hear casual racism and homophobia, sometimes on a daily basis. I work in a bookies and yeah... the demographic of customers doesn't help. The only people I see being regularly antisemitic are all the fascist "alt right" fucks online that you see getting shown up, and they're definitely not voting for Labour.
I've not seen a whole lot of anti semitism, I've definitely seen some ofcourse but not a common thing.
There isn't really a huge Jewish population here tbh, I've only worked or met like 10 Jewish people I know of I think that's probably why I see very little of it. Islamphobia is much bigger but the Muslim population is also much bigger here.
There isn't really a huge Jewish population here tbh, I've only worked or met like 10 Jewish people I know of I think that's probably why I see very little of it. Islamphobia is much bigger but the Muslim population is also much bigger here.
we don't need to minimise anti-semitism to make the point that the media and public and political establishment don't take racism seriously in general (they don't). the jewish population in the uk is small and is geographically concentrated in a few areas so if you are away from that you are less likely to see it.
yet there has been an increase in physical and verbal attacks in recent years in the uk, damage of jewish cemetries, threats to synagogue's and rabbi's. it's a disgrace. no-one jewish has benefited from their status being forced into labour's forever internal war and the racist comments thrown at them as a result.
yet there has been an increase in physical and verbal attacks in recent years in the uk, damage of jewish cemetries, threats to synagogue's and rabbi's. it's a disgrace. no-one jewish has benefited from their status being forced into labour's forever internal war and the racist comments thrown at them as a result.
I think the figure (correct me if I am wrong) is that around 70% of British Jews vote for the conservative party. The Jewish vote in the UK is traditionally centre right, unlike in the US for example, where it favors the Democratic party.
The anti-semitism attacks on Labour have more of a suppressing and chilling effect on would-be voters rather than on the Jewish population specifically.
The anti-semitism attacks on Labour have more of a suppressing and chilling effect on would-be voters rather than on the Jewish population specifically.
That's the goal of the right wing, make the majority of people think the left are all raging bigots. They don't give a shit about racism.
Yeah I felt the same, but I didn't just assume it wasn't a big deal for that reason.
I regularly see Jewish Labour supporters bullied and called traitors
Don't forget how damaging this smear campaign has been to black Jews too.
Traitors for what? I'm not doubting you btw just asking.
Ah ok, yeah I've saw some of that. Like the Jewish Scottish woman that said she feared Boris more than Corbyn on qt. Her Twitter got bombarded with traitor and accusations she was paid off.
not quite, there's been a really big change in the last decade
we don't have accurate figures for jewish votes but from polling pre-election done for the jewish chronicle
2010, under brown (pro-isreal, moderate) - 31% labour, 30% tory (more pro labour than country itself)
2015, under miliband (pro-palestine, centre-left, jewish) - 69% tory, 22% labour (vastly more pro-tory than the country itself)
then corbyn has declined further as everyone knows, but the really big change took place pre-corbyn and is due to the importance of Middle east foreign policy among a large part of that community (but certainly not all)
Thanks for the additional figures. So it is mostly a matter of stance on Israel/Palestine and social policies which I think I have noted during the height of the Anti-semitism attacks on Labour during this campaign.
One of the stupider elements of this policy is that although they may well be lying, but at this point, the people who still intend to vote Lib Dem are on board with those lies. If the Lib Dems turned up to parliament with enough MPs to play kingmaker and then voted for (say) a Labour minority government, that's technically a betrayal of a promise to their voters regardless of how stupid that promise was.
That's why I think it's a real position - and I think that the most likely explanation for how it's still their position is that they don't expect to ever have to enact it. If there's a Johnson government they can claim to have been anti-Johnson all along. If there's a Corbyn government they can claim to have been anti-Corbyn all along. They don't expect to have to fight another election that they themselves have caused and probably are deliberately trying to avoid thinking about how fucked they'd be in that scenario.
I am on my phone so I can't link sources very well but I have a pretty clear recollection of seeing figures favoring tories (compared to the national average) in the 90s and before as well, so it seems that it does lean centre right by quite a bit overall.
This quote and another related on made me realise that Boris will probably get a bump in the polls because he is a bloke. There is a not unsubstantial set of (mostly men) who will vote for him because "I could have a pint with him".
This quote sums it up. He seems "working class" even though he absolutely doesn't.
No amount of racism or ineptitude will ever dissuade people like this. Unless he does something that negativity affects them they will base their decision on some arbitrary weighting of good blokeyness.
edited in the sources, if people want to follow them as it's an area without firm numbers and just extrapolation from polls (often change in a campaign as we've seen recently and can be wrong)
those would likely be the big obvious causes of the big miliband drop, unless i am missing something due to not being a member of that community.
though undoubtedly there has been a significant drop in support for labour among left leaning jewish voters that backed ed miliband because of the anti-semitism scandal. though it's important to put figures like 93% of jews don't support corbyn in context.
Depressing. Ed was pro palestine in the sense that he wanted to acknowledge their existence through a symbolic motion. Didn't back any BDS movements, was against language questioning Israels right to exist....
My biggest fear is that we are piling on votes in already secure seats. The distribution of the Youth vote is also very important we shouldn't be complacent, this is a uphill battle and a repeat of 2017 isn't guaranteed.
Sadly it seems neither of these are really close to enough to change the outcome. The tories have like 70% of the leave vote and it seems likely the young voters aren't placed in places Labour actually need them.
And even a repeat of 2017 isn't good enough. Labour (with others) needs to do well enough to be able to form a government. It's no good if the outcome is "Hung parliament but the DUP/LibDems prop up the Tories."
LibDems will not prop up the Tories but yh we need to do better than 2017, ensure that a Tory+DUP alliance will not have enough seats to form a majority.
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