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UK General Election 12th December 2019 |OT1| Hindsight is 20/19 (Tory majority confirmed)
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My kids were born in one of them too.
And this is one of the big six "real" hospitals, not one of the paper planning consultations that the Tories are claiming as hospitals.
But I guess knocking down a couple of old buildings and putting bigger ones up counts as a "new hospital" these days. I'm not sure it even counts as a new wing, since it seems to be replacing one of the old ones. And this is only "new" because the government seem to have cancelled funding for it earlier this year and have now reversed their decision (I'm sure they would have done this regardless of an election, right?)
We took a closer look at p48 of the Tory manifesto...
@maitlis
: Is this a shifting away from a legal framework, to a political framework?
@LordCFalconer
: It is... so if Mr Johnson becomes PM again, he won't be restrained by the courts from acting unlawfully
the above is in relation to this:
"On page 48 of the Conservative manifesto for the general election, "Get Brexit Done. Unleash Britain's Potential", there are the following seemingly fair-sounding and innocuous words: "
""After Brexit we also need to look at the broader aspects of our constitution: the relationship between the government, parliament and the courts; the functioning of the Royal prerogative; the role of the House of Lords; and access to justice for ordinary people. The ability of our security services to defend us against terrorism and organised crime is critical. We will update the Human Rights Act and administrative law to ensure that there is a proper balance between the rights of individuals, our vital national security and effective government." "
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Panorama: Universal Credit - One Year On was scheduled to air on Monday.
It didn't. It has disappeared in to the BBC abyss. I'm sure it was just human error.
It didn't. It has disappeared in to the BBC abyss. I'm sure it was just human error.
That's the only time I have voted in the UK and will probably be the only time. I left the country and became very disillusioned with the Labour Party under Blair, especially once the wars started. At the time it was a real pain in the arse to organise voting from foreign parts (I remember getting a form from the Embassy, it was huge and required someone somewhere to vouch for me being British) and so I just pretty much gave up. Now I have been out of the country for longer than fifteen years and so can't vote (despite the Tories promising votes for life in a Queen's speech and then managing to filibuster it themselves when it was at its third reading).
So I have a 100% record and probably always will. Unless those votes for life really do materialise some day.
This. I despair at the power people give the polls. They've been getting it wrong since at least 1992 (when Kinnock was supposed to beat Major).
it got dropped for the Epstein one this week and next week is a Question Time special in place of panorama so it's just not going to air.
If only the BBC had some other means of putting programmes out.
Video - Polling mastermind John Curtice says 'underestimated' Remain vote will decide election
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Interesting that Curtice seems to be more convinced of a hung parliament than the current polling suggests, although I might be reading into his comments too much.
it sounds like he's saying that the remain vote will on the day back labour as voters have to stare down the barrel of a hard brexit
i guess this late movement happened in 2015 where messaging about snp-labour coalition swung voters behind the tories very late on.
i want to believe
i guess this late movement happened in 2015 where messaging about snp-labour coalition swung voters behind the tories very late on.
i want to believe
I voted Lib Dem since I turned 18, my mum voted Lib Dem/Labour, my grandparents voted Lib Dem throughout their entire lives.
Fuck that party. Clegg ruined any faith they had with the vast majority of their base after jumping into bed with the Tories. Continually saying "We can work with Labour, just not their leader" for the best part of 15 years as well just goes to show how morally bankrupt they are. I will never, ever vote LD again. They stood for a lot of what I believed in, then went back on it the second they had a sniff of power with Cameron.
Prince Noncerew should have been there to discuss old times and young people.
I think polling is going to be an important factor. I'll vote Labour if the polls show them ahead of the LD's in my seat (and vice versa obviously). Nationally, that would result in a swing to Labour from other remain parties, given their rises, albeit that they have stalled. I'm not sure that is something we will have seen before. There has always been tactical voting but brexit has to amplify the effect because brexit has an effect on everyone, whereas 'keeping out the Tories' only really, directly, affects the marginalised, which makes it easier to vote positively for a party even if you know they won't win because the stakes are lower personally.
It's alright, the rest of the royal family is probably full of noncing cunts, trump will be well taken care of.
I'm just wondering why our one has to hide in the Palace shed and the one from the US gets a slap up meal, I thought he was facing similar claims.
sounds like they're giving up on that Andrew Neil interview then. pathetic.
"We have acted in good faith throughout" laughable
Saw this yesterday I believe is litterally just saying what most people hear have been saying. Labour has successfully risen up the polls by squeezing the Lib Dems whereas the Tory's have capped up their brexit party and leave support. There's still 6% left to be potentially squeezed and since the win condition of this election is deny a Tory majority rather than gaining more seats than the Tory's the 20% remain vote the lib Dems still have will make all the difference in a hung parliament Vs a majority.
"Thanks for taking care of Epstein."
"Me? Hoho, I thought it was you that took care of Jeffrey, old boy."
American sycophancy is even higher than the royal family in this shit hole.
"A man dressed as a bee has glued himself to their bus" Has got to be the most brasseye thing during this election
Oh of course. What I've tried to do is to compare numbers and seek out the same videos from labour on facebook too. Indeed the metrics and viewcount of those vids are very positive and usually match or outstrip Twitter. Labour has only stepped up its hold on online media this election.
There are other online platforms, but tbh the big, gigantic two suck up the vast majority of the online discourse.
I have seen their election vids on gaming sites AND YouTube before videos play.
Mark de stefano of buzzfeed did some tweets to the most popular videos online from the parties. Labour won 2 or 3 out of the weeks out of the 4.
I would link those vids. But 1. Fuck facebook and 2. Twitter is much easier and better at presenting video.
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Yup. My constituency is usually a contest between Labour and SNP with Labour currently in charge. Undecided between them, I was leaning towards voting Labour at the start of the election campaign but not anymore. Sturgeon seems to be the only sane leader that stands by her principles whether its brexit, trident and things that matter to Scotland.
Even before, in terms of overstating winning margins. Somehow, the idea that polls being out is the exception rather than the rule has taken hold, and I think that's because usually the winning party has a poll-proof advantage so it's not really flagged up. Polls in 2017 were no more out than in, say, 2005, but the difference is that while Labour's lead tended to be significantly overestimated, the final 3% margin was enough to secure them a comfortable majority.
"at no stage did we tell the other parties that a [date] for boris was confirmed" 100% means they spent the whole time telling the other parties that boris was doing it
genuinely if they can't sack rob burley for his incompetence shattering any claims of impartiality during an election they need to be binned completely
If The Temptations aren't playing as Corbyn makes his way in to Downing Street after his maiden speech, I'll be bitterly disappointed.
This made me smile lol:
" Q: Your manifesto largely protects middle-earners. Is that right?
McDonnell says he wants a fair tax system.
At the last election he was accused of having a magic money tree.
Now the Tories have a magic money forest.
If there is a magic money tree, it is in the Cayman Islands. He says Labour will dig it up and bring it back to the UK. "
(time stamp 11:34)
" Q: Your manifesto largely protects middle-earners. Is that right?
McDonnell says he wants a fair tax system.
At the last election he was accused of having a magic money tree.
Now the Tories have a magic money forest.
If there is a magic money tree, it is in the Cayman Islands. He says Labour will dig it up and bring it back to the UK. "
(time stamp 11:34)
sorry lads just another honest mistake turning out favourable for the Tories
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I bet if they ever explain this they'll come out with some bullshit about it being because of purdah.
I've never had a win in a GE.
Naively uninterested in politics so followed my parents voting Tory in 1997 and 2001. Didn't vote in 2005 as was between addresses.
Since 2010 it's been Labour and, well, here we are.
Naively uninterested in politics so followed my parents voting Tory in 1997 and 2001. Didn't vote in 2005 as was between addresses.
Since 2010 it's been Labour and, well, here we are.
Corbyn is already struggling to get a majority, telling the English voting base he would be scrapping Trident and spending the 200 billion on traditional defences and public services would cause us to have MASSIVE TORY GAINS. Just shout Putin at British people and they'll line-up like gammons to say "Press the button!". Even Jo Swinson thought the best campaign move was to sound almost excited to "Press the button!".
But it just goes to show yet again how the SNP can stand behind their principles and get majorities in Scotland whereas Labour need to try and play some game of centrism for enough of the UK to get on board. The same move that has actually killed them in Scotland 🤷♂️
Scotland is diverging from the UK and no one seems to give a shit other than the Scots.
I mean, look at this
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Facebook having good numbers is a good sign! It'd be good to know what TV, billboards, leaflets, and door knocking are doing but suppose that can be more anecdotal, and the actual data comes out later. I'm holding on to hope that the activists and campaigners being energised is actually penetrating undecideds too.
The best we can hope for with this is Neil himself making a strong statement about how Boris is weak or something. Don't even know if he finds this to be much of a problem though.
Why the piss is that racist frog doing an interview with Neil if he's not standing?!
Brexit party are polling at pointless levels?
It's a waste of time, the BBC need to let go and just remember the times they have had together.
Sturgeons only principle is independence, they might try and talk about other policies or initiatives but the SNP are pretty much a one policy party, and that has been a detriment to Scotland as a whole. Dont mention their records on education or health and certainly dont mention cronyism or nepotism - just brush that shit under the carpet.
The worst thing is they are probably the best bet here in Scotland which just shows how catastrophically bad the other parties have been.
He's not going to be a prime minister, he's a glorified team leader
They interviewed Sturgeon too in the same series, so, must be leaders interviews.
Still, based on the rest, Farage getting roasted rather than an easy time might be cathartic to watch. I probably won't be bothered to watch, mind.
Why interview Sturgeon?
They're fielding a large number of candidates nationally.
Records on health? Yeah, the NHS is hurting everywhere, but don't let the stats hit you on the way out when you see the Scottish NHS is the best performing in the whole UK.
I do enjoy going through University free of charge too.
Claiming the SNP has been a detriment to Scotland and they don't do anything other than independence is some prime bullshit. At the very least they have protected us from the rest of the UK continually voting Conservative. Not to mention they campaigned well during Brexit and got Scotland to vote remain.
But the SNP don't do anything for anyone other than independence!
Farage has been roasted in quite a few interviews, but he just goes into loudmouth golfer mode and doesn't give a fuck. It's amazing how little he knows about the subject he pretends to really care about.
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