UK General Election 12th December 2019 |OT1| Hindsight is 20/19 (Tory majority confirmed)

twofold · Dec 13, 2019

Just seen the Wimbledon result -

Wimbledon: Con HOLD
CON: 38.4% (-8.1)
LDEM: 37.2% (+22.7)
LAB: 23.7% (-11.9)
IND (Hadley): 0.7%

Another tactical voting fail.

Is there a count of how many seats were lost by Labour and the Lib Dems cannibalising each other's vote share?

supremeplatypus · Dec 13, 2019

Audioboxer said:
Scotland on 46 seats, 4 left. We won't hit 50 though because there is a Lib Dem stronghold up north.

That waster Davidson has escaped.

I didn't want to see Davidson naked, to be honest.

Syder · Dec 13, 2019

Uzzy said:

We don't forget The Coalition. We don't forget tuition fees. We don't forget austerity. We don't forget shooting first in unco-operating with Labour. We don't forget misleading election material in swing seats. We don't forget sixth negative point about local candidate or action on issue...

We bring their track record to every election.

Audioboxer said:
I love how Scotland is returning Lib Dem seats, yet we knocked your leader out 😂

Gotta feel like a prat if you voted LD in one of those seats seeing the bloodbath nationally and Swinson going.

Audioboxer · Dec 13, 2019

supremeplatypus said:
I didn't want to see Davidson naked, to be honest.

But its worth putting that smug arsehole in her place.

supremeplatypus · Dec 13, 2019

Audioboxer said:
But its worth putting that smug arsehole in her place.

Nothing to be smug about for her, Tories got wrecked in Scotland at least.

Spirit of Jazz · Dec 13, 2019

Baby Yoda said:
I live in Eltham.We've been Labour for over 2 decades

I give zero fucks about where you're from?

If you want to blame this on Corbyn no being a strong remainer your opinion's literally worthless?

The biggest issue was Labour votes haemorrhaging to Leavers.

This is all an exercise on how fucking idiots will place the non-existent thread of their racist beliefs over their own well-being.

Masquerader · Dec 13, 2019

poklane said:
Wait, is it true that the NI Nationalists are looking at 9/18 NI seats?

Correct. Considering that one MP is ostensibly (alright, I'll be generous and say officially) "neutral", that means there's more Nationalist than Unionist MPs for the first time ever in the history of the north of Ireland.

Temascos · Dec 13, 2019

Since Brexit is pretty much confirmed to be happening at this point, I don't fancy being in England when it all goes south. Plus I'll bet another recession will be on the way over the next few years to really help things along.

Will be looking at emigrating somewhere else. Have to find a place where the political right haven't ruined everything though.

FrakEarth · Dec 13, 2019

Cow said:
This is bollocks.

It was clear at the halfway point of this election that Labour were not doing what they did in 2017. Instead of accepting that, many went into full denial and stayed within the leftist twitter echo chamber. Alot of excuses as to why Labour were not gaining like they were in 2017 and why they will still get enough seats. It's bollocks.

What are you proposing they could have done?

It's a country of slogans, soundbites and short sighted xenophobia. Policies didn't play here. Not in England and Wales. Only one policy did. The one with the slogan.

Regulus Tera · Dec 13, 2019

The left everywhere has no fucking idea how to capitalise on the resentment against the current status quo. It's shameful really.

Chanser · Dec 13, 2019

Is Swinson staying on as leader?

aspiegamer · Dec 13, 2019

twofold said:
Is there a count of how many seats were lost by Labour and the Lib Dems cannibalising each other's vote share?

I'm sure it'll be gone over seat by seat after everything's counted. A hung parliament might have still been a stretch, but Labor wouldn't have been so ruthlessly humiliated. Just from browsing districts offhandedly it might be 25ish?

Syder · Dec 13, 2019

Masquerader said:
that means there's more Nationalist than Unionist MPs for the first time ever in the history of the north of Ireland.

Chucky.

Acorn · Dec 13, 2019

Masquerader said:
Correct. Considering that one MP is ostensibly (alright, I'll be generous and say officially) "neutral", that means there's more Nationalist than Unionist MPs for the first time ever in the history of the north of Ireland.

This is very pleasing.

Audioboxer · Dec 13, 2019

Chanser said:
Is Swinson staying on as leader?

No, she won't be.

Deleted member 19218 · Dec 13, 2019

Temascos said:
Since Brexit is pretty much confirmed to be happening at this point, I don't fancy being in England when it all goes south. Plus I'll bet another recession will be on the way over the next few years to really help things along.

Will be looking at emigrating somewhere else. Have to find a place where the political right haven't ruined everything though.

How old are you? If you're young, have a degree and no dependants then go teach English in Asia.

Acorn · Dec 13, 2019

Syder said:
Chucky.

Ar la

Deleted member 21431 · Dec 13, 2019

Good, Corbyn is resigning. Weak leader, proven to be unpopular with the public, which is something I said and was attacked for in this thread.

Temascos · Dec 13, 2019

Kuma Bear said:
How old are you? If you're young, have a degree and no dependants then go teach English in Asia.

Early 30s. No dependents at the moment. Thats a good idea.

Cow · Dec 13, 2019

FrakEarth said:
What are you proposing they could have done?

It's a country of slogans, soundbites and short sighted xenophobia. Policies didn't play here. Not in England and Wales. Only one policy did. The one with the slogan.

They could have not gone into full denial when the polls were consistently suggesting the Tories were doing very well.

supremeplatypus · Dec 13, 2019

I'm still young enough to go on a working holiday, but I'm having a hard enough time getting a job at home let alone abroad

Dary · Dec 13, 2019

FrakEarth said:
What are you proposing they could have done?

It's a country of slogans, soundbites and short sighted xenophobia. Policies didn't play here. Not in England and Wales. Only one policy did. The one with the slogan.

Deleted member 19218 · Dec 13, 2019

Tommolb said:
Good, Corbyn is resigning. Weak leader, proven to be unpopular with the public, which is something I said and was attacked for in this thread.

It looks like the problem might be people were split between voting for Labour or the liberal democrats. That's just at a glance though but is it a fair assumption?

Leading up to the election, I heard several times people were hoping that right leaning voters would be split between conservatives and Farage's party but no one ever stopped to ponder about the left side.

I kind of wish we didn't have the LD now.

Deleted member 21431 · Dec 13, 2019

FrakEarth said:
Statistically those in labour to conservative seats likely know someone who voted Tory. I hope you're all giving them short shrift from now on. Honestly fuck England. Fuck racists. Fuck England rugby. Fuck England football. Fuck our prospects at the Tokyo Olympics. Fuck elderly brexiteers. Fuck people who fear immigration. I'm having a baby next year. Fuck people who decided I'd be bringing it in to a world where that will be much more expensive and where the outcomes will be worse under a Tory government, where 99% of schools are facing further cuts. My sister's ex husband and his family are Tories - we are still civil for the sake of my nephew, but that ends tomorrow. His granny is a stupid, myopic, blind Tory cunt and I'm going to tell her so. I don't want people like that in my life.

And so it's clear I'm equal opportunities with the dispensing of fucks - fuck the Lib Dems, fuck the centrist labour turncoats, fuck class traitors who have forgotten what the Tories visited upon their communities not 30 years ago, and fuck those who steered the Brexit choice in the wrong direction inside Corbyn's team. We can now all clearly see it was fantasy to try and bring people together in racist little England. Fuck this country. And fuck the Tories. I hope their reign is fucking miserable for everyone who voted for them.

Grow up.

Acorn · Dec 13, 2019

I can get an Italian passport, but it would be a massive pain in the arse

Masquerader · Dec 13, 2019

Dennis Skinner lost his seat in Bolsover... Was that mentioned? I think it's an insanely big deal.

How. How could England be so utterly... Wrong... I'll make no secret of it, I loved how sarcastic he was, I loved how he took the serious things seriously and the foolish things foolishly. I loved how consistent he was. I loved how much of a throwback he was, a constant symbol of integrity that never wavered, like Tony Benn. I adored watching him like no other MP in the House of Commons, his shit almost made it worth watching.

And he is now gone. I cannot believe it. I feel more hurt at that than pretty much every other loss...

Syder said:
Chucky.

Acorn said:
Ar la

Exactly~ And yes, it is pleasing.

Khoryos · Dec 13, 2019

Cow said:
They could have not gone into full denial when the polls were consistently suggesting the Tories were doing very well.

I can't help but notice that isn't actually an answer, more of a shitehawk gloating?

WillyGubbins · Dec 13, 2019

My vote helped oust Jo Swinson and the SNP have done well, so that's nice. Other than that - ugh.

Cow · Dec 13, 2019

Khoryos said:
I can't help but notice that isn't actually an answer, more of a shitehawk gloating?

That is an answer. To not go into denial and promote false hope. It's bollocks.

twofold · Dec 13, 2019

aspiegamer said:
I'm sure it'll be gone over seat by seat after everything's counted. A hung parliament might have still been a stretch, but Labor wouldn't have been so ruthlessly humiliated. Just from browsing districts offhandedly it might be 25ish?

Sounds about right.

I wonder how things would have gone if Labour had agreed to work with the others. Would a hung parliament have been possible?

Swinson probably wouldn't have gone so hard after Labour and the Lib Dem collapse might not have been so bad and there wouldn't have been as much vote share cannibalisation.

Might have bee doable.

FrakEarth · Dec 13, 2019

Regulus Tera said:
The left everywhere has no fucking idea how to capitalise on the resentment against the current status quo. It's shameful really.

It's because the left has ostensibly felt a moral duty in trying to protect marginalised groups and give voice to the idea that matters are more complex than simply blaming Johnny foreigner for domestic ills caused by poor domestic government. It's out of step with the MAGA twats in the US and the little Englanders here who are more than happy to blame the "other" for their shit lives rather than those making decisions and controlling policy and the purse strings.

It's an ugly truth, but the left doesn't offer people a sense of "righteous" anger and hate towards utterly blameless groups of people.. and the right does. Imo of course.

Deleted member 61538 · Dec 13, 2019

Astronut325 said:
So the Tories won? Y'all want Brexit!

Brexit could never be stopped that's the thing, the Lib Dem's offered up a simple lie and Labour sat on the fence.

The majority of the country voted for Brexit.. why would they decide to vote against it as the deadline is so near.

Khoryos · Dec 13, 2019

Cow said:
That is an answer. To not go into denial and promote false hope. It's bollocks.

Oh, apologies, I thought you were pitching "Labour would have won if..." rather than just venting despair, that's entirely fair.

Acorn · Dec 13, 2019

Masquerader said:
Dennis Skinner lost his seat in Bolsover... Was that mentioned? I think it's an insanely big deal.

How. How could England be so utterly... Wrong... I'll make no secret of it, I loved how sarcastic he was, I loved how he took the serious things seriously and the foolish things foolishly. I loved how consistent he was. I loved how much of a throwback he was, a constant symbol of integrity that never wavered, like Tony Benn. I adored watching him like no other MP in the House of Commons, his shit almost made it worth watching.

And he is now gone. I cannot believe it. I feel more hurt at that than pretty much every other loss...

Exactly~ And yes, it is pleasing.

Jesus, Skinner was and is a working class legend. That's really fucked up, he's one of the few honest men that were in parliament.

We also lost Laura Pidcock, who was going to be the future. I hope she stays in politics and gets a by election somewhere.

Kay · Dec 13, 2019

Regulus Tera said:
The left everywhere has no fucking idea how to capitalise on the resentment against the current status quo. It's shameful really.

Turns out if the revolution won't be televised nobody will give a shit

Don Draper's Hat · Dec 13, 2019

I always thought he was a bit of a wank, but it seems he's quite the good egg.

Spirit of Jazz · Dec 13, 2019

Tommolb said:
Good, Corbyn is resigning. Weak leader, proven to be unpopular with the public, which is something I said and was attacked for in this thread.

You trying to call Corbyn the big bad when he's done fuck all to harm UK citizens speaks volumes in that it means your supporting Tories who literally deported PoC and supporting practises that burned them alive. But keep trying to take the high ground I guess?

Saya · Dec 13, 2019

Masquerader · Dec 13, 2019

Acorn said:
Jesus, Skinner was and is a working class legend. That's really fucked up, he's one of the few honest men that were in parliament.

We also lost Laura Pidcock, who was going to be the future. I hope she stays in politics and gets a by election somewhere.

I think Pidcock's loss is worse, true. But Dennis Skinner losing gives me a kind of "nothing is sacred any more" vibe. Losing a star of the future is painful. Alongside a star of the past though? That's just depressing as hell. I was hoping he'd keep going until he wanted to stop because he seemed pretty content with the idea of doing it until he died or retiring at a ridiculously old age on his own terms. This... Is terribly sad and he didn't deserve to have his amazing career to end this way.

I'm sorry England, this is why I lost faith in y'all in the first place. This is literally the fifth time in a row now that you've voted Conservative.

Cow · Dec 13, 2019

Khoryos said:
Oh, apologies, I thought you were pitching "Labour would have won if..." rather than just venting despair, that's entirely fair.

Nah, lol. There is not much Labour could have done this election to win. I think the big issue here is that Boris was not just the face of Brexit but he had the deal ready to go. Like, there was no waiting around for Labour to get a deal. I do not think there is anyone or anything that could be done to beat that. Nothing.

Perhaps Labour would have done better if they chose to support Brexit. It would not have been good enough though.

I think alot of remainers fail to understand how annoyed the electorate are with Brexit and how much they want it done and over with.

Acorn · Dec 13, 2019

Saya said:

English people

Audioboxer · Dec 13, 2019

Kay · Dec 13, 2019

I wonder if there was a route from David Cameron resigning to Labour victory. Would they have won if they'd pushed through May's deal and campaigned for in a post-Brexit World? Or would that alienate the 52% remainers to much? Hard to say

Stuart444 · Dec 13, 2019

Again, I'll say

EVERY. SINGLE. TORY. VOTER is complicit in hurting the disabled and all the deaths that may come in the future.

You voted "fuck you" to disabled people just because "Brexit"

Tory voters are nothing but scum to me.

Acorn · Dec 13, 2019

Masquerader said:
I think Pidcock's loss is worse, true. But Dennis Skinner losing gives me a kind of "nothing is sacred any more" vibe. Losing a star of the future is painful. Alongside a star of the past though? That's just depressing as hell. I was hoping he'd keep going until he wanted to stop because he seemed pretty content with the idea of doing it until he died or retiring at a ridiculously old age on his own terms. This... Is terribly sad and he didn't deserve to have his amazing career to end this way.

I'm sorry England, this is why I lost faith in y'all in the first place. This is literally the fifth time in a row now that you've voted Conservative.

Agreed, he deserved better.

FrakEarth · Dec 13, 2019

Tommolb said:
Grow up.

Shut up you prat. I'll say what I please and act how I see fit. This country is a fucking disgrace.

Masquerader · Dec 13, 2019

Stuart444 said:
Again, I'll say

EVERY. SINGLE. TORY. VOTER is complicit in hurting the disabled and all the deaths that may come in the future.

You voted "fuck you" to disabled people just because "Brexit"

Tory voters are nothing but scum to me.

I'm honestly so sorry. Like, fuck. It's so bad, and I hate it so much. Don't give up hope though, we all gotta fight until the end... We can't ever give up precisely because people will suffer and die. That's enough reason to keep on trying.

But, you're right. No Labour politician should ever have anything other than an undying hatred for the Tories. Nye Bevan was right. They are lower than vermin.

Cow · Dec 13, 2019

Stuart444 said:
Again, I'll say

EVERY. SINGLE. TORY. VOTER is complicit in hurting the disabled and all the deaths that may come in the future.

You voted "fuck you" to disabled people just because "Brexit"

Tory voters are nothing but scum to me.

You're absolutely right, and not enough people talk about this. There should be public outrage over what has been done to the most vulnerable disabled over the past 10 years, but nobody gives a fuck. It's disgusting.

It's not just because of brexit either because they were boring for this before brexit was a thing.

Audioboxer · Dec 13, 2019

Love him or hate him the man who rustles Tory jimmies is safe

Deleted member 19218 · Dec 13, 2019

Tommolb said:
Grow up.

That user has a point though. Fuck racists

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