I feel sorry for you folks. I wonder if we, Americans, are in for the same fate in 2020.
I actually think you guys might win this round.
Utterly baffling results so far.
I feel sorry for you folks. I wonder if we, Americans, are in for the same fate in 2020.
... I take it back. This is even worse than the possible loss of Bolsover.
Exactly.nonsense. if you look at John Curtice's analysis, if you look at the seat maps, if you look at the individual results, if you look at the 2017 results, if you look at the Lib Dem results it's crystal clear that Brexit is the largest factor.
Jeremy Vine just did a seat-by-seat analysis on the BBC of Labour losses. his conclusion, word for word: "not the only factor, but it's clear Brexit was the biggest factor here."
Wow. Deeply ashamed of this country :(
nonsense. if you look at John Curtice's analysis, if you look at the seat maps, if you look at the individual results, if you look at the 2017 results, if you look at the Lib Dem results it's crystal clear that Brexit is the largest factor.
Jeremy Vine just did a seat-by-seat analysis on the BBC of Labour losses. his conclusion, word for word: "not the only factor, but it's clear Brexit was the biggest factor here."
I feel sorry for you folks. I wonder if we, Americans, are in for the same fate in 2020.
So you guys basically turned into Americans.
Well, welcome to the club fellow Yankee
If they're all having heart attacks I won't be calling the ambulances. Pricks.
Feeling real suicidal...and all the lib gloating doesn't help.
Goddamn, haven't had a decent year since I was 19...
Everything has gone to shit and I never stood a chance, just...what is the point?
For me, Labour needs to move back to a centre-left position. They can pick up more pragmatic Tory voters, while also appealing to their traditional base.
Historically, Labour doesn't win when it moves out to the left.
Tony Blair, the most successful Labour leader ever, won three back-to-back majorities from a centre-left position.
And it helped that he was incredibly effective politician. Whatever you think of Blair, the likes of Miliband and Corbyn aren't fit to lace his boots in the political arena.
Labour need a young, charismatic leader who can dominate the centre ground, pick off right of centre voters and press ahead with a liberal, but economically credible agenda.
I'm a self-confessed New Labour fan and others might disagree, but Labour has got no hope unless they start building out from the centre again.
Moderate voters will not vote for this Labour - or at least not enough of them to get a majority.
Yup
no idea how any of the SNP supporters in this thread think this result means independence is imminent. zero chance Johnson lets it happen. there will not be another indyref in this parliament. but it may increase the chance in the long term.
if it wasn't for the brexit party taking big chunks off the leave vote and preventing it going conservative we'd be looking at a >400 majority.
SNP is looking for European approval over and above Westminster. There is no precedence for this. Regardless, next year is going to be far rockier. Scotland is going to become much more hostile to Boris than it already is, and the independence movement is going to kick it up a lot.
Boris can't even handle an Andrew Neil interview, he can't handle angry Scots.
100%, that's exactly what we need, another leader that should be indicted for war crimes.
Yep, he's at risk. My favourite person in Parliament, always has been. It's weird to say this but I was hoping he'd leave on his own terms or die as a sitting MP. If he lost, it would break my heart, sincerely.
Labour needs to dissolve as a party and something new needs to come in its place.
Its name and reputation is toxic at the moment.
The whole of the country is toxic, to be fair.
Ah man this is just leaving my head hot.
Before tonight I was thinking Trump would be gone next year, but now I'm thinking once the social media shite goes up a gear again, the repetitive vote-winning phrases are spewed out and drilled into the heads of the masses, and a bunch of bullshit smears are thrown at the Democrat candidate, I think the world will be stuck with him for another 4 years. All these right wing bastards are using the same tactics and they clearly work.I feel sorry for you folks. I wonder if we, Americans, are in for the same fate in 2020.
She's rubbing it in
Brexit and the media are such huge factors this election. Imagine if 99% of the news was Fox with some of the stations managing to seem 'neutral' to most of the dumb fucks in the country.
You can't relate the next US election to this.
Any new leader who has been a remainer = death of the party.Jo Cox's Seat
Dennis Skinner's Seat
Tony Blair's Seat
There's no way Corbyn survives this. How he leaves is now up for debate. And who the hell steps in - Starmer?