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UK General Election 12th December 2019 |OT1| Hindsight is 20/19 (Tory majority confirmed)
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The people who say "this would have happened to any leader" about the worst defeat in 85 years are almost the same people who were going all "don't believe the polls" before the election. Practically they just don't want to face the truth and that will continue to hurt Labour in the long run. Becoming a cult who lives outside the facts does not help one bit.
Can't imagine he's pleased about Johnson ducking him and winning this convincingly.
I'm not going to give their names or the company I work for, so it's good. This is just the messages I got from general conversations.
A few felt they had no choice. They thought Tories were the safe option and didn't trust Corbyn. A lot of them felt Labour were racist and the party was rife with antisemitism, yet ignore the racist problems in the Tory party (crazy side note, there is a young Muslim man in my team who was born in the UK to parents from Iran.......he confirmed he was voting Tory because Labour are racist?! Couldn't believe my ears)
Others were pure young Tories who have always voted for the party. Not all of them are middle-class, white kids either. Most of these kids are from working class backgrounds and not all are white. These people seem to support Tory because their parents do (one did admit she voted for Brexit and the Tories in 2017 because her dad "told her to".
There was one guy who was going to vote Green, but then changed his mind and voted Tory as he wanted to vote for a party that "could win".
We have to face, even is a hard reality to face, that the current neoliberal model is deeply rooted in our society and that a good chunk of the population may vote just to keep the status quo as damaging is in the long turn or for the whole society. People vote for their own selfish interest, even as a whole those end damging a great part of the people they live with(I don't care people die because they can't pay health services, as long as I'm fine is ok, etc...)
Yes I remember the election well. The media was not nearly as venomous about Brown as it is Corbyn by a fucking country mile
stop it
They must not have expected it. That spin is really weak.
I mean when there are polls that have people trusting boris more with the nhs than corbyn you can't really blamed it on brexit.
This is terrifying, chances of a no deal Brexit just took a big jump upwards. Also if they privatise the NHS I am beyond fucked. I need a new prosthetic like every 1- 2 years, they cost 10 grand each time and I just can't afford that.
The only slight caveat is Scotland has devolved powers regarding the NHS in Scotland and SNP have apparently increased their majority significantly. But if Boris sells out to Trump that could well be meaningless.
Feel like every disabled person right know has just been given a death sentence.
The only slight caveat is Scotland has devolved powers regarding the NHS in Scotland and SNP have apparently increased their majority significantly. But if Boris sells out to Trump that could well be meaningless.
Feel like every disabled person right know has just been given a death sentence.
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I have been feeling bad for the people in the UK, but it's wasted concern. It's a self-inflicted wound they got three years ago and then just keep digging in so hard, it's ridiculous. Honestly, at this point, the Brits probably deserve everything bad that will be happening to the majority of them, and it's hilarious how rich their new PM is gonna get with all the shady deals he will be setting up with the vultures heading in to feast (US, Russia, and China). Godspeed, Scotland, get out whenever you can.
The only mistake Corbyn made, was believing in the morality, and integrity of the British Public.
Sorry for everyone affected. Hopefully once Brexit goes through and, you know, hurts everyone involved then people will get that the Tories suck.
Same I'm done caring at this point, hope this country crashes and burns so the people that voted for this shit realise how fucking stupid and bigoted they are.
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i hope you are right....i feel despair at how far labour are from winning again
i don't want phillips because she is just a personal brand imo, starmer at least has genuine political ideas. do think that he needs to accept brexit is the new reality though and not try and re-join the eu.
i never said that. i knew the polls were very grim for Labour from the moment they adopted the second referendum position and I had no expectation they would win. in fact, i definitely expected a Tory majority or largest party at the absolute limits, although I didn't anticipate the scale. but this result is not primarily because of Corbyn. he was a factor, but not the determining factor. no Labour leader with a pro-Remain, pro-second referendum election would have won this election
I think it is whether we like it or not. Just like the lib dems and austerity this election will hang around all of them in another election like a bad smell. It's incapable and they know it.
Some of us in Britain did our very best to fight this, actually.
No chance. There'll always be someone else to blame.
Would it not in that case be simpler for the Labour leadership to dissolve the people and elect another?
Oh for sure, 100%. Australians are notorious for it. We're a country of lazy, entitled shits who whine and complain in fear the moment the slightest breeze of change is felt. So much of the country is happy with a "I've got mine" attitude that is perpetuated by economic and social imbalance, and the moment a party attempts to disrupt the norm they're seen as a problem. It's absolute piss and it's pissrot down to the roots.
What are you getting at with this? If you're looking to stir shit up, take it elsewhere, please.
Yeah but he was dead funny on Top Gear and etc though wasn't he?
(That's the general consensus of people around here it feels like)
A poor analogy as Labour going full leave would have screwed them over just as much, if not more, but in different areas.
Couldn't agree more. This looks like a walloping of unimaginable proportions. You can't say that has nothing to do with the leadership, especially a leadership that has been so stubborn.
On this forum I mean, not in general.
But according to the media they already are racists!
You're not remembering well.
Hell remember "Bigoted Woman".
He took so much stick over someone who was...frankly bigoted it wasn't even funny.
He was bodied in the media. By the end he was barely featured in local campaigning he was seen as that much of a liability.
Still didn't do this badly.
I don't think Labour needs to go a lot more to the center. I think a lot of the current policies can be marketable. But Labour needs a leader who can sell them outside the fanatics and who can go for the jugular against any Tory leader.
You can't complain about people believing that Boris will deliver Brexit without having somebody who would fight the Tories in the debates like Sturgeon does.
You can't complain about people believing that Boris will deliver Brexit without having somebody who would fight the Tories in the debates like Sturgeon does.
Fuck this take so fucking hard. I didn't vote for any of this. I didn't vote for Brexit and I didn't vote for the Tories, but I'm empathetic and I know others that did have just voted to make their situation worse.
People are going to die as a result of this. Why are people not affected by this so insensitive.
Well, they lost anyway so I don't know if that's really an argument.
the australian labor party has dealt in this kind of centrism for *decades* to awful, awful results. corbyn inspired a movement that was brought down by people attacking from all angles. it wasn't his policies that made him unpopular it was the lack of solidarity. it's not the time to turn back
Fed up of the blame being put on the good party for being good, promising good things and not promising enough bad things, and the solution to the problem being less good things and more bad things
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