User Banned (1 month): Sexism
I will miss the booty... oh god, the booty.I love being in the gym so much. It's been a real struggle to work out at home for me.
That's gotta be worth another 10% testosterone on its own!
I will miss the booty... oh god, the booty.I love being in the gym so much. It's been a real struggle to work out at home for me.
Living out in the sticks, driving works out to be like about . Obviously it's also significantly faster to drive places rather than use a country bus that goes everywhere.A baffling idea when we already pay more for public transport than most countries - this will just ensure those with a car will use them and while punishing those without (who are statistically more likely to be on lower incomes).
I don't think that's really true. I think that right now because of the lockdown, most of the continued spread is probably happening in healthcare settings. So, that means it should soon be safe to start easing things up in the community because there shouldn't be another spike.The debate that needs to be had, but is not being had in an open and honest way is;
A) do we assume its inevitable that most people (80%) will get this virus and so aim to keep the numbers who get it low enough at any one point to not overwhelm the NHS. Basically herd immunity and potentially 500,000 dead if you assume a 1% mortality rate.
Or
B) aim to eliminate the virus and push the number down to zero over the medium to long term.
(with the background to both options being that a vaccine administered to all is 2+ years away and maybe the only way to achieve option B)
The government seemed to go with option A at the start of the pandemic, now talks as if its aim is option B (but no-one is convinced). Option B requires a worldwide approach, with massive investment in testing and contact tracing and social distancing until the vaccine is given to everyone in the world.
All the focus on lifting the lockdown implies option A is the aim.
From the Guardian liveblog.
Discussing the 'winding down' of the government's furloughing scheme on BBC Radio 4's World at One today, the former Treasury minister David Gauke said that although the scheme seemed to be working, there is a risk people will "get too used to it" as unfreezing the economy is set to take a while. He said:
Fucking maddening. This Victorian era upper class thinking dominates this particular breed of "pull your socks up" Conservative.
The lower classes can't be left workless for too long or they'll forget the only person who can sit around on public money is the Queen and her extended family. Also the PM if a pandemic is approaching but not actually here yet. A lot of landowners and maybe property owners too.
If everyone could just sort themselves out another job, why would we provide the furlough scheme in the first place?! As if people who have next to no money don't understand the fear of not having enough money at the end of the month. The fear of how vulnerable they are without a job, even a shit one they hate.
Just admit we can't afford to run this for too long, how are you already trying to shift the blame onto the working class you jumped up goon?
I will miss the booty... oh god, the booty.
That's gotta be worth another 10% testosterone on its own!
Shut up, TessaCoronavirus: Theresa May criticises world pandemic response
Countries have "gone their own way" rather than working together, the ex-prime minister says.www.bbc.co.uk
I'm off to scream at a wall
the UK haven't done any real contact tracing though and I'm not sure there is even the capacity to do it.
So once life begins to get back on the move, those who typically rely on public transport, what's the plan?
I used to rely on buses/trains but got a bike since and will be using that.
I will opt to work from home. My company is actually open to allow people to do so.So once life begins to get back on the move, those who typically rely on public transport, what's the plan?
I used to rely on buses/trains but got a bike since and will be using that.
Depends on how my local bus service handle things, haven't needed to use one in 6 weeks now since college closed. Before covid the one I got in the morning was almost always at maximum capacity so I've no idea what they'll be doing to alleviate that since they're stretched for buses at that time due to some being needed for the schools, so they can't put extra on. Worst comes to worst I'll just see if I can do my coursework from home.So once life begins to get back on the move, those who typically rely on public transport, what's the plan?
I used to rely on buses/trains but got a bike since and will be using that.
I follow the markers but I'm definitely one of those people that just walks past everyone doddering about because I know exactly what I want.
I'm not going to stand there for 5 minutes while someone decides what bunch of bloody bananas they want. It's madness. None of the products in the supermarket are cleaned, and the air isn't disinfected. Walking past a few people isn't going to significantly increase your chances of catching the virus in the supermarket.
I do usually pick up items and put them back on the shelf when I'm deciding what to buy, because I read all the nutritional information, but I haven't been doing that since this all started because I'm very conscious of potentially being asymptomatic and spreading it via goods.
EDIT: Also, as you've said, it seems as if staff have stopped caring as much. My local Tesco has been really good to be fair, but even they've started being a bit more relaxed lately.
And this is why it doesn't work, because people will do the mental gymnastics they need to so as to justify why they are allowed to flaunt any rules in place. I get it, people meander and don't treat shopping as a more precise exercise than others where you get in, get what you want and leave. But we should really just accept that shopping takes 2 hours now, it's shit and that's just the way it will have to be to protect everyone as much as possible.You are right in saying the staff doesn't seem to care anyway though. They rush around picking up all the delivery orders (which must have massively increased) and go wherever they like; it was never going to work out.I've gone down empty aisles the wrong way and been too close to people aswell (you literally can't avoid it)
It would have needed to be an enforced 2m separation with roped-off aisles like a theme park that snaked around the store and people were patient; forget something on your go round? queue up again; but that's just not practical and we end up with this weird situation where you wonder if it's even doing anything.
I don't think that's really true. I think that right now because of the lockdown, most of the continued spread is probably happening in healthcare settings. So, that means it should soon be safe to start easing things up in the community because there shouldn't be another spike.
If things are opened up carefully then it should be possible to stick with B. Contact tracing is manageable, as SK does it. We just need to stop the spread in the community and then also have controls at ports of entry.
This shouldn't really be surprising. The tories have killed thousands with either their lack of action or taking too damn much action time and time again. It was their fault so many died in grenfelt, public didn't care. They sent a generation off to a land most of them have never been to, forcing them to fend for themselves if they even could. People didn't care. They've caused countless unnecessary deaths within the poor and disabled. People virtually cheered.it just boils my head there's practically no pressure on the government here
I just took the 'update' off the thread title for now, as it's now out of date.
Hey, it'll feel like an update then :D
Great post. It's not hard to imagine the sort of headlines Labour would be getting if they were presiding over the current clown show.This shouldn't really be surprising. The tories have killed thousands with either their lack of action or taking too damn much action time and time again. It was their fault so many died in grenfelt, public didn't care. They sent a generation off to a land most of them have never been to, forcing them to fend for themselves if they even could. People didn't care. They've caused countless unnecessary deaths within the poor and disabled. People virtually cheered.
The tory government have been killing people for years. Not only are people fine with it, the support for the tories has only grown. In this same time their supporters have become increasingly radicalised in an effort to widen their base. There's really no evidence to support the idea the government will be held to account for any quantity of deaths in any demographic unless it were the Labour Party in charge.
So we're ignoring the post where someone implied they wouldn't be able to write a memoir because they'll die from coronavirus? Wether that was facetious or not, this isn't the place for facetious jokes about death.
Absolutely. Even if our response had been much better, I would hope that there would always be serious analysis of national crisis management to make sure everything that should have been done was done, and to flag up where interference hampered it, let alone when we will be sitting at the top of a comparative European table for how bad we handled it. Currently the government is saying 'everyone counts deaths differently so we need to wait for comparative figures', which is convenient considering the level of bungling, but I don't think those figures will be kind to them.Not picking on your posts but the articles linked have aged so fucking badly. There seriously needs to be an inquiry into how the government managed to pick scientists who rejected the majority of necessary measures and how much of that is down to political interference.
I just took the 'update' off the thread title for now, as it's now out of date.
The new app sounds like shit too.the UK haven't done any real contact tracing though and I'm not sure there is even the capacity to do it.
Yea, I agree we need to get new cases down first. If they just start opening things up suddenly now we'd spike again.Contact tracing would be completely unmanageable if you have 5000 new cases every day, as we do at the moment. It works for South Korea because they have always had far fewer cases. By easing the lockdown, we are just making it take longer to reach a point where we can actually do contact tracing.
So many people will die, I don't think even the Tories can spin that.I honestly believe we won't ever see a second lockdown. We might see regional shutting if certain areas peak. Also just like the US the daily briefings will be cancelled and the narrative changed
I honestly believe we won't ever see a second lockdown. We might see regional shutting if certain areas peak. Also just like the US the daily briefings will be cancelled and the narrative changed
If they stopped reporting numbers there would be no virus to contain. I 100% expect this to happen.
So many people will die, I don't think even the Tories can spin that.
You can tell yourself that, but if things open and deaths spike you'll certainly see another lockdown. Goes double for autumn/winterI honestly believe we won't ever see a second lockdown. We might see regional shutting if certain areas peak. Also just like the US the daily briefings will be cancelled and the narrative changed
Local small Tesco actually has that full one-way system, and only seem to let in ~3 people at a time, despite having 6-7 aisles. Clearly a very good way of doing it (though staff still walk past closely, they have to restock).
Not realistically achievable for the bigger shops though. They do have a soft one-way system which nobody seems to take notice of. The central aisles are a free-for-all anyway. If you tried to stick to a one-way-system not overtaking anyone etc... then you would only end up being closer to more people across your shop and everyone else dashes about.
I think going to a big shop like that has inherent risks, and it's fair enough to do the best you can if you are willing to go inside. That means probably passing people a fair bit, but not leaning over people etc... and giving them a bit of space when you both want something from the same spot.
You can tell yourself that, but if things open and deaths spike you'll certainly see another lockdown. Goes double for autumn/winter
I agree that realistically it wouldn't happen but it is a feasible solution if compliance was enforced; which of course won't/can't happen for a multitude of reasons. As you said, it is just an inherent risk of shopping in a larger shop but it's frustrating that it has to be that way because there are the means to do it 'properly'.
So once life begins to get back on the move, those who typically rely on public transport, what's the plan?
I used to rely on buses/trains but got a bike since and will be using that.
"Supply is outstripping demand!"Oh good, the number of tests is reducing on a daily basis now.
Press conference time:
- 69k tests yesterday
- +6111 new cases yesterday
- 13.6k in hospital, down from 13.9k since yesterday
- 30,076 deaths, increase of 649 since yesterday
couldn't this be true? is there any indication that people who meet test criteria are told to bugger off?