We'll never rejoin if we have to give up the pound. I don't see why the EU would give historic concessions after the shit we've pulled.
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UK and EU agree Brexit trade deal
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Just the extra paperwork is going to wipe out tons of already struggling UK business.
That would require the UK public to accept they made a mistake, not going to happen.
There will be vat to be paid,yes. You will have to deal with customs, yes.
Last question is hard to answer, that depends how the handle the transition, but I can guarantee delays at least.
I think people are underestimating how bad things are going to get.
Obviously without the pound. Just as a member like any other.
Fishing seems like it would have the least impact on both the UK and EU, right? Hopefully that.
80/20 vote if you have to give up the pound no matter how bad it gets.
You are underestimating the ability of the rightwing gutter press to scapegoat any issues arising from Brexit and the willingness of the public to buy into it.
So guess we'll move discussion over how long the Breturn will take now. A decade before it's voted in and another 5 years before it's finished.
Neither Labour or the Tories are going to be interested in pushing for joining the EU for the foreseeable future. It's not happening.
The Tories certainly aren't going to ever be on board with rejoining, Labour campaigning to rejoin will be a needless vote loser for decades, and to be honest, there are many things that a transformative government can do to improve people's lives that don't involve the EU.
You are more likely so see more talk about the UK breaking up than than that. Tories and Labour won't campaign on rejoining the EU.
It will be double that, at least, for it to even enter the forefront of British politics. Labour won't touch it, it's a cursed subject. And if they won't then it's a dead topic. I genuinely don't think we'll rejoin in my lifetime.
I don't think we'll ever rejoin. The best we can hope for in my lifetime is us slowly signing up to EU practices to make life easier until we eventually end up with a Norway type deal with even less say in what happens then they do. The UK is also mor likely to break up with a united Ireland and independent Scotland before that happens as well.
Maybe. But if propaganda outlets really have such a grip on your democracy, you basically don't have a democracy at all.
*Ding ding ding*
First past the post already kills that notion anyway.
While this is mostly a shit sandwich, the U.K. still participating in the Horizon science programme is a relief for staff at our lab.
Do you have a link to this being confirmed? Good for quite a few people in my circle too!
I would say never because of the right wing press making up the majority, the public will never be swayed enough to make it a platform for Labour or the Tories no matter how bad it gets.
True. Was May's deal better than this deal?
It would of kept NI within our customs border and meant that there would no friction for shipping goods there.
Fuck, it's finally hitting me that we're leaving the EU and we ain't ever coming back. I know it's been 4 years but it's only now truly sinking in.
There's no escape and there's no way things are ever going to get better. They're only going to get worse. Guess I just need to try and enjoy myself a bit before I, or we, can't do so anymore.
There's no escape and there's no way things are ever going to get better. They're only going to get worse. Guess I just need to try and enjoy myself a bit before I, or we, can't do so anymore.
From tariffs to visas: here's what's in the Brexit deal
We take a look at the main agreements that make up the trade and security deal finalised on Christmas Eve
www.google.co.uk
I mean why wouldn't he? Starmer's ambitions politically are to get the right-wing to spend another second considering a vote for Labour in 2024. Deciding to own a terrible deal that will fuck this country up for decades will contribute at least another few milliseconds to that honourable goal. Bravo, I say!
The EU always sign a deal in the eleventh hour! They blinked!
This is so depressing. Bring on the details.
A 6 page summary of the trade and cooperation agreement:
What's currenty lacking in detail:
- Access to Galileo, EGNOS and Copernicus space/satellite systems
- Access to Schengen SIS II criminal databases
- Access to European Criminal Records Information System (ECRIS)
- Access to European Arrest Warrant
- Third country access to Europol agency & databases
- Ecommerce details
- Exact levels of access to goods, services, energy, telecoms, transport & other markets
- Mutual recognition of driving licences
- Mutual recognition of other certification & licensing
So no court but a political body? Is it possible for companies or individuals to sue if the principles are violated?
It's not no deal, but it's not far off it.
Ultimately, it sums up all Brexit ever was - a series of losses, with no gains.
England is going to be very lonely within the next decade.
Ultimately, it sums up all Brexit ever was - a series of losses, with no gains.
England is going to be very lonely within the next decade.
Boris trolls EU with fish-print tie as Brexit deal is announced
Eagle-eyed press conference viewers may have spotted Boris Johnson's tie is right on theme.
metro.co.uk
That'll teach them!
Such a grown up.
Better than crashing out in my view.
Probably speaks better for the future relationship too, rather than talks breaking down and everyone being pissed off.
But, feels like there's a lot of detail to unpick. PM gets his Xmas triumph, but I wonder how long it'll last lol
Probably speaks better for the future relationship too, rather than talks breaking down and everyone being pissed off.
But, feels like there's a lot of detail to unpick. PM gets his Xmas triumph, but I wonder how long it'll last lol
It's woefully lacking compared to what we had while been a Member State, which sums up this whole mess really.