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Uhhh... what the hell is that rape "dynamic NPC event" in RDR2?
- Thread starter Memento
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Well not that it's not shocking, but it certainly is something that could happen in that era and context, also this is a R* game.
I watched my friend playing GTAV this week-end and he was on a mission to spy on a celebrity that was literally being fucked in her backyard, as in you could see everything so heh, not too surprised about that, R* has no limit.
I watched my friend playing GTAV this week-end and he was on a mission to spy on a celebrity that was literally being fucked in her backyard, as in you could see everything so heh, not too surprised about that, R* has no limit.
This post?
Or this one?
Because this doesn't excuse anything on why they added rape if they won't put effort into showing the trauma. Rape affects victims their whole life and this undermines that. If they wanted to add such a sensetive topic into the game then it requires thought and effort. They don't want to do that then don't add it in the first place.
He comes back after the event aswell.
I have killed probably 5 times. All those after it.
Of course, they're not stupid, they know they would be crucified for that. But it's a man, so it's no bid deal. Tough it up.
Indeed. He seems to be a regular spawn.
But everytime you come back to him afterwards he is scared shitless of you. So the event itself never repeats.
God damn it Rockstar...
I would love to hear what the hell were they thinking.
I played this, and yeah, it's really fucked up. Went back and blew his brains to bits of course but it was so strange, especially as it's never mentioned again.
Is Arthur's trauma implied afterwards? It was towards the end of the game for me so I can't really judge if it was or not.
Is Arthur's trauma implied afterwards? It was towards the end of the game for me so I can't really judge if it was or not.
Because I am pretty sure Rockstar isn't equipped to "go there" in a way that does not sound childish, edgy or just plain old shock value.
Bill makes fun of Arthur about it which embarasses Arthur and appearently the rapist respawns but is scared from you if you return after you kill him.
Oh, pleasantly handled I see. If they genuinely did something with it it could've been really interesting. A shame.
I had that scene happening too and never thought he raped me? o_O I thought he just knocked me out cold and beat the shit out of me which is why I didn't have any health after that.
Edit: Reading this thread. Wow so I got raped at that moment. Sure didn't feel that way or because I didn't expect it.
I'm not bothered.
Just like I don't expect Rockstar to have any meaningful commentary on race relations in a western story, I don't expect any for sexual assault, either.
Entertainment isn't always meant to teach the person consuming it a lesson. I'm not looking for an enlightened lesson on dealing with trauma and PTSD in a video game lol
Just like I don't expect Rockstar to have any meaningful commentary on race relations in a western story, I don't expect any for sexual assault, either.
Entertainment isn't always meant to teach the person consuming it a lesson. I'm not looking for an enlightened lesson on dealing with trauma and PTSD in a video game lol
That woman's choice of how she chose to work is worse than what happened to Arthur?
I didn't drop the game, I pushed forward with it. It's just that those two events coming one after the other just made me have enough. It felt like after all I had put into the character and all his stats dropped and his character being diminished like that ruined it for me. Hard to explain fully right now.
Haven't played the game, but I'm not understanding the OP's point.
Should games not touch on these themes? I'm always perplexed how we want gaming to grow up, yet still have sensibilities of a medium meant for teens and kids. Based on the description, it obviously is not moralizing a point of view explicitly. That the scene is abhorrent should be assumed, just a rape scene would be in a movie. It's fiction. You don't have a narrator saying it is wrong. It's not an afternoon school special. You're an observer and passive participant in this scene.
Is the issue that it was not listed in the ESRB warning?
Should games not touch on these themes? I'm always perplexed how we want gaming to grow up, yet still have sensibilities of a medium meant for teens and kids. Based on the description, it obviously is not moralizing a point of view explicitly. That the scene is abhorrent should be assumed, just a rape scene would be in a movie. It's fiction. You don't have a narrator saying it is wrong. It's not an afternoon school special. You're an observer and passive participant in this scene.
Is the issue that it was not listed in the ESRB warning?
I didn't come across this event while I was playing. Does anyone know what, if anything Arthur writes in his journal about it? A lot of times his deeper thoughts are in the journal, not actually in gameplay or cutscenes.
In a game as raw as RDR2, I don't see why this should be off limits.
The only thing that really bothers me is that the guy respawns.
The only thing that really bothers me is that the guy respawns.
And yet scenes like this could easily trigger PTSD for rape victims themselves.
You are right though, Rockstar didn't have a lesson here, really. It's a commercial product meant to make money, and if they can piggyback off of victims to keep players like you sated, then they'll do it in a heartbeat.
Yes, I remember that event, but it happened after I had killed a creepy couple that was trying to get me into a threesome with me being the desert, an alcoholic father because he was too rough on his son and at least 200 other folks. At that point I had a real life attitude like a character from a Tarantino movie, so not shocking at all. I even laughed to be brutally honest. And to be quite fair there's a story mission that can also be interpreted this way.
I had no issues with it tbh, they dont hold back with the racism either but its up to you how you handle it. That is the world Arthur lives in, felt great blowing thier heads off afterwards i might add.
The world in RDR2 is terrifying though, its beautiful as it is dark and psychotic, there were homes id enter where entire families were slain (children dead on the floor), with small hints as to what had happened.
The world in RDR2 is terrifying though, its beautiful as it is dark and psychotic, there were homes id enter where entire families were slain (children dead on the floor), with small hints as to what had happened.
It's super fucked up how casually it's played off. Arthur is just like, "that was fucked up, oh well". Ignoring the mental trauma that comes with this is disgusting. Just a shitty almost cartoony representation of a horrifying dehumanizing act.
i don't think rockstar is the right company to tackle a subject as sensitive as rape with any subtlety or nuance
No.
The issue is the game is undermining rape. Rape is a very sensitive matter and for the game to just brush it of like they did is bad. Arthur literally goes "oh well" and keeps going on his day after being raped when in real life a victim of rape would feel the pain through out their whole life. To add salt on the wound the game has Bill make fun of Arthur for what happened to him and even respawns the rapist even if you kill him before the rape AND after.
All it did was take a sensetive topic and make fun of it. This is the opposite of mature.
Not that I expect much nuance from Rockstar based on previous portrayals, but what if Arthur's response to such a trauma would be to bury it internally?
Some people mention he has a journal? Is it mentioned there?
That would have been way better than we got. But sadly we don't get any internal monologue or anything.
I don't have the game anymore so I can't check but I asked about the journal and haven't gotten an answer so probably not.
People want freedom and role playing yet seem to need to be constantly fed informations on how they should feel.
Again, it's not the game that should tell you how to feel or how your character feels.
If it had happened to me the irrational shame and feeling of being powerless and violated wouldn't have left me the entire playthrough, silly as it may sound I wouldn't have experienced Arthur's story the same way, which begins to make you realise how one must feel.
That's not even taking into account the practical difficulties of having a random event that maybe 2% of players experienced affect the rest of the game.
The game absolutely doesn't make fun of it, that's just silly.
Reminds me of the dildo scene with Michael's wife in GTA. Lots of hidden stuff in Rockstar games.
What bothered me about this scene is that the moment you go inside, the cutscene starts...there is no player agency.
I knew the guy was shifty and was going to do something bad, but I went with him because I was curious WHAT exactly would happen. The fact that cutscene immediately starts and you get knocked out in it is lame, because if Arthur (or me) was in that situation for real, he would never let the suspicious guy from eyesight and definitely not let him get behind.
So I reloaded an hour old save (I did not want to play with Arthur being rape survivor), went there, roped the fucker and left him to aligators. And got bad karma for it :)
I knew the guy was shifty and was going to do something bad, but I went with him because I was curious WHAT exactly would happen. The fact that cutscene immediately starts and you get knocked out in it is lame, because if Arthur (or me) was in that situation for real, he would never let the suspicious guy from eyesight and definitely not let him get behind.
So I reloaded an hour old save (I did not want to play with Arthur being rape survivor), went there, roped the fucker and left him to aligators. And got bad karma for it :)
User Banned (2 weeks): Dismissive behaviour in a sensitive thread, recent severe infractions
This.
What the fuck with sensitive people nowadays? The game is a WILD west simulator.
You say freedom yet the event doesn't even give you choice on how to tackle it. You can't fight back, you can't kill him off (he respawns) and yet you are telling me about freedom?
Arthur is an established character that you guide through the game, not a personal character that is supposed to be you. If they want to have Arthur get raped then they need to put effort into it because rape is something that is very sensetive.
The fact is that Rockstar is undermining rape no matter how you put it.
Film rarely ever handles rape well, so a video game failing miserably doesn't surprise me in the slightest. Grim.
I like that you think this is a sensitivity problem because "mah historical accuracy!!!!!" So...they should have called all black people derogatory words right? Because that would be historically accurate.
Great, now we will have a long discussion into this side topic instead of pointing out that screaming historical accuracy is not a good excuse especially since it's such a throwaway scene.
Some of the responses in here are sickening. :(
This thing is triggering PTSD for people like me and you are happy Rockstar put this thing in?
There is no warning that this will be something unique and not just another mugging or assault. Those are things that we can expect in pretty much every single "mature" game and there is stuff like that shown in trailers. Plain old violence is expected from a third person shooter.
Getting your control taken away from you, having your player character getting sexually assaulted and then mocked for it is fucking disgusting and people that can't see that are seriously scaring me.
This thing is triggering PTSD for people like me and you are happy Rockstar put this thing in?
There is no warning that this will be something unique and not just another mugging or assault. Those are things that we can expect in pretty much every single "mature" game and there is stuff like that shown in trailers. Plain old violence is expected from a third person shooter.
Getting your control taken away from you, having your player character getting sexually assaulted and then mocked for it is fucking disgusting and people that can't see that are seriously scaring me.
So its fine to represent the aftermath of rape as just getting along with your day like nothing happened?
Rockstar gonna Rockstar
Oh can you tell us how rape was more accepted back then, professor?
Oh can you tell us how rape was more accepted back then, professor?
This is disturbing as hell, we need to create a seperate rating system for games that have depictions of extreme sexual violence. As someone who has survived my own trauma, I need be aware of the inclusion of scenes like this prior to playing.
