I feel one can be written in a game with a heavy respectful tone where it's an actual part of the plot
but none have done this yet and everytime one tries it just gives me ptsd anxiety lol
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Uhhh... what the hell is that rape "dynamic NPC event" in RDR2?
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but none have done this yet and everytime one tries it just gives me ptsd anxiety lol
Hell one of the debt collector side missions at the beginning of the game results in you finding out you basically forced a woman into prostitution towards the end of the game and I don't see anyone starting an uproar about that. I'd say that's much, much worse than this.
None of that says "By the way, your character gets raped", so I'm not counting that.
sexual content =/ sexual abuse but if you sure this is the post then
well
you sure?
I'm not going to get deep into this argument. What I will say is that while it's an intensely serious and sensitive subject, it is possible to write and depict rape in media with the intent to disgust and frighten the audience, giving such a scene narrative weight.
In RDR2, it's throw-away shock content and nothing more. It's just there to surprise and offend. It happens, maybe you go back and kill the rapist, and then that's it.
I agree that it's stupid to wield murder being in a game as a cudgel against criticism of how rape is handled.
But there are tons of people that have traumatic experiences with murders of loved ones. It's really reductionist and shitty to frame what you just said that way.
Take your own advice.
It's relevant to point out that this is a game with extremely mature themes.
It also doesnt say your pet horse dies.
You should assume that M rated game with all those things included is meant for mature audience with all king of things included that sticker says.
DEath is an inevitability that can and will happen and people accept that
Sexual violence is not
Is it too much to ask for a trigger warning?
For fuck's sake, we had one with Modern Warfare 2 and that was ages ago.
I mean, it was pretty powerful for me in that it made me feel geniune anger, espcially since i went back and he wasnt there meaning i couldnt even get revenge.
Not having a warning somehow before is dumb, but atleast it wasnt done in jest like most games would do.
Not having a warning somehow before is dumb, but atleast it wasnt done in jest like most games would do.
your stranger danger senses were going off and you went into the house anyway, because you were curious?
whenever I see something in a game by choice, not because the choice made sense or fit the character but out of my personal curiosity, I have trouble criticizing what happens.
whenever I see something in a game by choice, not because the choice made sense or fit the character but out of my personal curiosity, I have trouble criticizing what happens.
I mean I guess they could include every single thing in that rating thing, dont think there is enough space for every single kind of thing tho.
Okay this made me laugh.
But yeah, the scene was messed up, but there's plenty of other messed up scenes in RDR2. This doesn't seem better or worse than any other ones that I encountered.
The cultural/racial moments throughout the game triggered me way more than watching this rape situation now that I've watched the youtube clip that someone linked earlier in the thread that shows the encounter.
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he was looting your ass something fierce.
http://www.esrb.org/ratings/ratings_guide.aspx
Under Content Descriptions on the ESRB website, it lists:
- Sexual Violence - Depictions of rape or other violent sexual acts
To be honest I never gave it much thought after I found it. Went back, dealt with the guy and that was it.
While there is a point about how Rated M games haven't dealt with a lot of situations like Rape in a game, I think that's more of a discussion on how flawed the ESRB is with its rating systems and the reluctance to sell games with heavily mature content (AO rated games).
I mean how can you tell me a system that gives Halo 3 and Read Redemption Dead 2 the same rating isn't flawed?
I mean how can you tell me a system that gives Halo 3 and Read Redemption Dead 2 the same rating isn't flawed?
My only complaint is the same complaint I have about most of the NPCs in the game. Based on that video, even if you go back and get revenge, neither your character or the man who raped you acknowledge that it happened. They have all these unique events with absolutely no payoff.
It doesn't depict rape though. Your character gets knocked out, and you wake up to an NPC telling you that you struggled.
I didn't come across that scene in particular but Rockstar is not known for restraint when it comes to cynical stereotypes, ugly characters or crass asides played up for humor and/or shock, even in a game that strives to be more in RDR2. It's in their DNA. Sometimes it works, often I find they miss the mark, but you know it when you see it and it's rarely "mature."
The ESRB doesn't go through everything, they don't have time to do that. There is a lot of trust put on developers to go through and manually select what content occurs in their games, and they'll do a light play to see if it holds up. To miss a single scene that requires a Sexual Violence tag, as terrible as it is, is not unreasonable.
Yeah it's freakin weird and the way they go about it is like they wanted the player to just be like "whoa Arthur was raped!" Followed by "haha" or something. It didn't feel like a serious scene at all and that's what I find strange and gross.
Yep. One can consider themselves to be mature and able to handle things that most M-rated games would throw at you. But it would still be helpful to know if the game they're playing is gonna decide to suddenly rape their character and potentially trigger some real PTSD shit. And treat it like a sidequest and not something serious. Because it's not something that normally happens in games unlike the violence in practically every game. It's a big enough deal that "sexual violence" should be listed somewhere on that rating.
Is it realistic for Arthur to get raped and basically just move on with no word about it otherwise? I get that people internalize that shit, but it's a crazy thing to have happen to a character and then just go SHRUG and move on.
The game isn't significantly more realistic with its inclusion. If anything it's less realistic because how they handle it makes little sense in terms of characterization. And nobody would have missed it if it wasn't there. The main thing it achieved was probably triggering some people who have rape trauma.
In what way does it seem like they in any way, shape, or form were looking for that kind of reaction? People generally react to that scene with confusion, if anything, and then anger at the implication. Not "holy shit bro, Arthur just got raped! Haha!".
There are infamous rape scenes in other forms of art, irreversible and deliverance immediately spring to mind - I do think themes of this nature should be dealt with delicately if possible, if they have to be included at all. Ideally, inclusion of such things should have a point. The horror of attacks in real life is that they're motivated only by the selfish will of an attacker, but in narrative art - if you're going to portray it, it would be perhaps best to say something about it - because its a traumatic thing. It changes people forever. Does Arthur or anyone else reference this beyond the optional gameplay revenge?
Don't really see a problem with it. I mean the game is full of mature content.
But being murdered isn't
I'm very ready to discuss how these mature themes are handled within the context of RDR2
I'm just, you know, not a fucking idiot that wishes to push away the discussion with airheaded whataboutisms. I drink water
Let me clarify once again: I'm not the against the idea of the depiction of rape or sexual violence/abuse in video games, but if it's handled to my belief, poorly, then I'm gonna laugh and criticize it. That's it that's all.
Mild Sexual Violence is what this would be categorized as. It's implied, meaning it's still there, however not depicted.
This is all true, but I would assert that rape is more personal than knowing somebody who was murdered. Although that assertion is probably wrong, considering everyone deals with trauma in different ways.
I was really just trying to be cheeky, which I'm glad wasn't lost on you three, as inappropriate as my initial post may have been.
I haven't played it but going by past Rockstar games they put it in for shock value and judging by this thread it worked.
